Big capitalists anticipating nuclear apocalypse

April 2024 Forums General discussion Big capitalists anticipating nuclear apocalypse

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  • #249362
    Thomas_More
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    #249366
    ALB
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    Some billionaires evidently have more money than brains — which other capitalists exploit by selling them bunkers which won’t protect them in the end anyway. Unless of course it’s a tax dodge.

    #249367
    Thomas_More
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    When the taxman is coming, get down to the bunker.
    Like a Terry Thomas film.

    #249545
    Thomas_More
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    What if, as is likely, the DPP win Taiwan’s election again next week? We still think it won’t mean China will invade, despite Xi’s patriotic tirade?
    The US couldn’t not get involved then in a war with China, which would mean a world war.

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    #249561
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I don’t think anybody, quite apart from “we”, thinks that. It seems to be just you.

    All three big nuclear Powers — the US, Russia and China — have been studiously avoiding getting into direct military confrontation with each other and have even established lines of communication to prevent this happening by accident.

    That will be because they don’t want a world war with nuclear weapons. What benefit could their ruling classes get from that?

    #249569
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    You are assuming they are thinking rationally, yet you have just said that their paying billions for bunkers proves they aren’t bright.

    So is ignoring climate not very bright on their part. Since the profit system isn’t bright in the first place …

    #249570
    ALB
    Keymaster

    You are mixing two things up. Some capitalists evidently have more money than brains by having bunkers built but the state is not controlled by individual capitalists. It is their executive committee whose remit is to look after the overall general interest of a country’s capitalist class.

    The decision whether or not to go to war rests with those who control the state on behalf of the capitalist class. Those who control the three major nuclear states do not consider a nuclear war to be on the overall general interest of their capitalist class. They don’t mind “conventional” wars against other states but seek to avoid direct military action against each other by using proxies instead. Wars and preparations for wars are built-in to capitalism, but a nuclear apocalypse isn’t.

    Concerning global warming, have a look at the digression on the thread about two ex-socialists who have gone over to the other side to see why individual capitalist firms are compelled to act as they do, especially #249532. They are not doing it because they are not bright.

    #249571
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Ok. Thanks.

    #249636
    Thomas_More
    Participant
    #249651
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Not good but hardly the apocalypse.

    #249751
    chelmsford
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    Bobby Moore ought to have been around in the early 1980’s. Cruise missiles at Greenham Common, Protect and Survive Booklets, one documentary and drama after another dealing with the delights of atomic warfare, SPGBer’s touring the land giving variations of the Is a Third World War Inevitable? lecture. I heard it from Cde. Skelton ( who always put me in mind of Esme Cannon). And there even an item on the teatime ITN news which entertained us with a description of the effects of a one-megaton airburst over central London ( it would ruin every Londoner’s day ). And we didn’t get the usual warning: the following programme may not be suitable for those of a nervous disposition!

    #249753
    ALB
    Keymaster

    That 1982 pamphlet can be found here. I am sure they will be a few copies lying around our offices if anyone wants one. Price 20p + postage:

    Is a Third World War Inevitable?

    #249754
    ALB
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    #249756
    Bijou Drains
    Participant

    I’d never thought about it but your right about Esme Cannon

    #249788
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67935464.amp
    “Prepare mentally for war” (Sweden)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44208921
    Sweden distributes leaflets to citizens on preparing for war.

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