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Halo Halo: Cake, Flowers, Pizza and Jesus

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jondwhite
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Just read this article properly and it is bordering on the offensive.

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jondwhite wrote:

Just read this article properly and it is bordering on the offensive.

It would help enormously if a) you specified when and where this article appeared and b) what you found offensive about it...

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May 2015 Socialist Standard

I thought the comment "Wouldn’t it have been easier just to find another bloody baker?" was objectionable.

The job of bakers under capitalism is to bake for profit not to express their bigotry.

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Is that all ! I thought that it was something serious. Anyway, the baker didn't want to express his bigotry only to not express someone else's view. Why should they be forced to do this?

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Well in reference to the Southern Baptist florist and pizza shop opposed to gay weddings raking in thousands of dollars profit, the conclusion of the article pretty shamefully states "There must be a lesson there somewhere." The implication being there is more profit in opposing gay weddings than supporting them.

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No, that just a wry, rhetorical ending not to be taken literally, not that I think anyone would have done.

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I, for one, don't recognise same-sex "marriages". I'm not opposed to or support these now state-approved arrangements, but it is not marriage in any meaningful sense of the word, apart from the inheritance factor. Seems to be something of an affectation. A sop to a section of the working class by the state to keep 'em happy for a while, and to make them feel as if they've made "gains".

To be clear, I don't support or oppose conventional marriage either, but I recognise the function they serve in a private property society.

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So what is meaningful marriage and what function does it serve that other types of marriage do not?

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Heterosexual marriages exist to establish property rights, and to indicate the lineage of any children. These days, it may be useful to highlight inherited medical problems. Historically, it also had the effect of gaining societal approval of activities you otherwise didn't talk about.

Same-sex "marriages" are biologically sterile unions, and seem only to exist to establish property and inheritance rights with the maximum tax avoidance on the same basis as heterosexual marriage.

And why stop there? How about bisexual (i.e. three-way) marriage? Or four-way?

Same-sex "marriage" is no more marriage than nationalisation is socialism.

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I think you are discriminating against same sex marriages more than you would for heterosexual marriages. If marriage is a property society construct why not recognise as meaningully as for biologically sterile pairs?

This seems to be the pertinent work on the matter

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch02d.htm

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