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Here is Lisa McKenzie in the Guardianhttp://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/08/iain-duncan-smith-general-election-lisa-mckenzie-class-war

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Can the title of this topic be changed from 'anarchist' to 'cristicuffs'?

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Reports are that a scuffle occurred at Clapton F. C. between rival lefties. Full report here.https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2015/03/520021.html

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Do any SPGB members have any contact with those involved with cristicuffs?

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I didn't know what tendency cristicuffs were so interesting if they are anarchists. Are they unconventional anarchist?

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jondwhite wrote:

If sides are attracting international recruits to an active conflict you can bet the British (far) left will rush to take sides.

Coatesy reportshttps://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/swp-isis-and-the-kurdish-struggle-two-weights-two-measures/and the other side of the same coinhttp://www.counterfire.org/news/17449-day-mer-statement-support-the-resistance-of-kobane-against-isis-attacksstrange considering John Rees working with CAGEhttps://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/stop-the-war-coalitions-john-rees-links-charlie-hebdo-slaughter-to-security-service-behaviour/ 

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Although the CPGB-PCC supported the SPGB at the 2014 Euroelection, a letter in Weekly Worker today states they were campaigning for Left Unity party in Vauxhall where an SPGB candidate is standing.http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1050/letters/Whether they support other SPGB candidacies remains to be seen.

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Darren redstar wrote:

There is  a difference, the three teenagers stopped by Turkish police on the way to join ISIS were released on bail after return to Britain. Silhan Ozcelik, is charged under the terror acts and remanded in custody for trying to join the Kurdish resistance to ISIS

I stand corrected.

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Belonging to an organisation such as Islamic State, al-Qaida or the IRA should not be a crime in itself because people should be punished for what they do, not what they think, Natalie Bennett, the Green party leader, said on Sunday.  She said legislation that made it an offence merely to belong to certain organisations was outdated and it was important for the government to defend the principle of freedom of speech.  The politician was speaking in an interview on the BBC’s Sunday Politics where she was asked to defend Green party policy – which says that just belonging to a terrorist organisation, or having sympathy with its aims, should not be a crime.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/25/terrorist-organisation-membership-no-crime-say-greensDespite Parliament's 2013 decision not to intervene in Syria, any differing treatment of returning militia volunteers may give lie to this.

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ALB wrote:

and somebody called Alistair from the Monster Raving Looney Party (dressed as if he thought yesterday not today was Paddies' Day).

More on him here:http://votemadhatter.blogspot.co.uk/He is clearly just using the Monster Raving Looney Party label to publicise his Alice in Wonderland Walking Tour of Oxford.  Presumably he regards £500 as cheap price to pay for the publicity. A shrewd businessman then. He has stood in local elections there before. Insofar as he says anything political he's appealing for the protest vote.

I see a candidate for the Reality Party took Al Murray (FUKP) to task for using the general election deposit to promote his comedy tour.

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Yes good point. Trade unionism is the defensive action to the extent that some SPGBers took the view they could not raise wages and could only stop wages from falling. Political action is the offensive action. Swords and shields as the SLP brilliantly put it as you mention.

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If sides are attracting international recruits to an active conflict you can bet the British (far) left will rush to take sides.

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I think this is a mistake along the lines ofhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Place_of_Strifeor Thatchers saintly response to unrest among miners"Where there is conflict, let us bring peace."Trade unions do not cause conflict or strife. Rival class interests cause conflict and strife.

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UK PM David Cameron, whose government has inked new anti-terrorist laws that would allow the revocation of citizenship from British jihadists returning from Syria, said there was a “fundamental difference” between them and those fighting for the Kurds, and pledged that the British border staff would be able to tell one from the other.

http://rt.com/news/208083-westerners-isis-kurds-syria/

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David Cameron has insisted that there is a fundamental difference between fighting for the Kurds and joining Isis.Although the Home Office states that taking part in a conflict overseas could be an offence under both criminal and anti-terrorism laws, it clarifies: “UK law makes provisions to deal with different conflicts in different ways – fighting in a foreign war is not automatically an offence but will depend on the nature of the conflict and the individual’s own activities.”When Cameron was asked in September how volunteers with the Kurdish authorities and Isis fighters could be identified when returning to the UK, he said that “highly trained border staff, police and intelligence services” would be able to discern the difference between Islamic extremists and those fighting them.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/22/uk-mercenaries-fighting-islamic-state-terrorist-syria

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His comments come as BBC News was told British Kurds have travelled from the UK to join Kurdish forces fighting IS.The prime minister said said there was a "fundamental difference" between fighting for the Kurds and joining IS.The Home Office said taking part in a conflict overseas could be an offence under both criminal and terror laws."However, UK law makes provisions to deal with different conflicts in different ways – fighting in a foreign war is not automatically an offence but will depend on the nature of the conflict and the individual's own activities," it added.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29038981

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The men had been warned that they would face police interviews if they returned to Britain. Sir Edward Garnier QC, the former solicitor general told BBC Radio 4 in November: “We are in a terrible grey area, not least because we don’t know enough about what they are doing.”“The United Kingdom is trying to defeat ISIL. But freelancers are not acting on behalf of the United Kingdom. They may well be guilty of murder, or other sorts of crimes, or they might not be guilty of anything.“It goes to the general story who go abroad to fight in other people’s wars place themselves not only in physical danger, but in that legal limbo land where they could, if they get on the wrong side of this almost invisible line, into trouble when they get home,” he said.

http://www.newsweek.com/ex-british-soldiers-held-heathrow-after-returning-home-fighting-isis-291056

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If I want a big car, a big house and expensive holidays, does anyone think that makes me a bad socialist?

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