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Another article on the same subjecthttp://libcom.org/blog/fully-automated-luxury-communism-utopian-critique-14062015

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11% of who? Ordinary party members?

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Here's a less than successful campaign launchhttp://www.newrepublic.com/article/121962/lincoln-chafee-had-worst-campaign-rollout-year

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Here's another article about Tories 4 Corbynhttp://www.capx.co/tories4jeremycorbyn-could-be-britains-fastest-growing-political-movement/

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Still, putting Corbyn on the ballot paper does have one unintended consequence, which is amusing the Conservatives greatly. Suddenly, there is great interest from senior Tories in helping Labour to elect Corbyn, because they think, rightly, that it would equal oblivion for Labour and a generation of Tory rule.There is a practical way Tory voters can help, the Conservatives have realised. For just £3 anyone can sign up as a Labour supporter and a get a vote in the party’s leadership contest. On Twitter, Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Tory leader, has already described getting the chance to help make the completely unelectable Jeremy Corbyn Labour leader as a notable bargain.This Tories4JeremyCorbyn movement could take off. How long before someone establishes a website and Twitter account explaining how Tory voters can win it for Jeremy?

I think it makes the Tories look stupid to be honest.

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I think he is even less credible than Sarah Palin.

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And also contrary to Marx's instruction, the Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other working-class parties.

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He is a committed single-issue social-justice warrior (SJW). Never laughed at his "comedy".

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The abolition of class antagonisms is one goal and that will require a party aimed at capturing political power for this end and firmly under control by the class not just its self-selecting membership. Socialists have no interests separate and apart from those of the working-class and this means open primaries.

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imposs1904 wrote:

Fair enough if there isn't enough room in the Standard for inclusion of the results – though I note some months the Standard will have the occasional page that is covered with about 75% image  – but I do think the results should be readily accessible on the Party website.And when I write 'readily accessible' I don't mean included in a comment on a thread on the discussion forum. 

hear hear

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In 1986, 19 million workers were members of the old CPSU. Did the working-class in the Soviet Union become the CPSU? Or did the 85 million plus Chinese workers in the Communist Party of China (CPC) in 2013 mean the class became the party. Any principled party cannot encompass millions without serious disagreement or being substitutionist..

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Primaries might not be the best term if that implies run-off.I don't think anyone is suggesting party members shouldn't control their own political activity, but where elections of members take place to hold party positions, they should be open to non-members to have a vote but not contest themselves.I think the word for the party becoming the class is 'substitutionist'.

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Self-appointed activists are for anarchists.As in the order of social evolution the working class is the last class to achieve its freedom, the emancipation of the working class will involve the emancipation of all mankind, without distinction of race, sex or party membership.this emancipation must be the work of the working class itself not a party.All political parties are but the expression of class interests, nothing more..Socialists have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat.We are not electing candidates to privileged positions within the party and open primaries are a good indication something is not a cult.

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Here is where you can become a registered supporter for £3https://supporters.labour.org.uk/leadership/1and an explanation herehttp://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/how-to-vote-for-our-next-leader-and-deputy-leaderIt is quite mad for any Tories to assume open primaries are a backdoor for trolls.In fact this seems to a story being run by the well-known Tory paper the Telegraph (aka the Torygraph) and ITV News.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11680098/Why-are-so-many-Tories-joining-Labour-after-Jeremy-Corbyns-leadership-announcement.htmlThe implicit lesson is that open primaries are vulnerable to manipulation and Tories are shrewd.In fact the Tories have used open primaries to select some Parliamentary candidates.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_%28UK%29_parliamentary_primariesAny party claiming to stand for workers interests ought to use open primaries.

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Labour Leadership tv debate is tonight on BBC Newsnight.Here's a guideNasty Labour: Yvette CooperNew Labour: Liz KendallOld Labour: Jeremy Corbyn

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DJP wrote:

jondwhite wrote:

So the SPGB steal a march on the SWP?

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5 July Kliman speaks at the SPGB meeting9 July Kliman speaks at SWP eventthen again I'm assuming27 June Kliman talk is CPGB-PCC?

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