[J Surman]

First let me say that when I started this thread I hadn’t heard of the conspiracy theories which now seem to abound. However this link from today’s TruePublica gives more evidence to my wariness of  5G. I’m concerned with the capitalist way of pushing things on before taking the necessary time to check all avenues, not with conspiracy theories . The Precautionary Principle – please.

J.

[J Surman]

Here’s an interesting ‘explanation’ of the word imminent from Craig Murray, former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, referring back to the Bethlehem Doctrine (Daniel Bethlehem -anyone remember him?)

Lies, the Bethlehem Doctrine, and the Illegal Murder of Soleimani

 

[J Surman]

Thanks Mike, thanks Matt, I’ve now signed up.

[J Surman]

Help! I can log in to spintcom no problem, but that’s about as far as I get.

I need more instructions to find what folk are suggesting. In really simple language please.

[J Surman]

Thanks Marcos – no surprise then.

[J Surman]

‘follow the money’

I’m posting this in response to various previous issues raised here. The link I’m att’ing is from William Enghal who I have found pretty reliable over the years, and it covers various aspects of this topic. The overwhelming message is condensed in the final para:

“Back in 2010 the head of Working Group 3 of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Dr Otmar Edenhofer, told an interviewer, “…one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.” Since then the economic policy strategy has become far more developed.”

The article also mentions Greta Thunberg and A. Ocasia Cortez with regard to their ‘backers/persuaders/supporters – some of whom may also have been duped into what they hadn’t anticipated at the time. Look out for the big names.

The capitalist world  is a nasty world with filthy habits and the overriding aim of controlling everything, that much we know.

<b>https://tinyurl.com/y3tjvvkx</b&gt;

[J Surman]

From part 2 of Finketstein’s interview:

Finkelstein concluded by affirming that he doesn’t support the system of nation-states at all, but that this is not on the cards at this point in history:

“So I don’t support two states. Actually, I don’t support one state. I support no states. That’s the future to which I aspire. I think it’s the only rational future. You can’t solve any of the problems confronting humanity today, beginning with climate change, within the framework of… nation states… But I also recognize that, within the current moment, we can’t extract anything that doesn’t function within the world of nation states. And we have to accept that, even though we recognize, as an ultimate solution, that nation states have to go.”

Link here:https://www.thecanary.co/exclusive/2019/08/22/jewish-scholar-norman-finkelstein-says-israel-is-a-nation-of-murderers-loved-by-the-far-right/

<b>https://tinyurl.com/y3agqp2j</b&gt;

 

[J Surman]

Prof. Mirandi from one of Iran’s universities said the other day words to the effect that they’ll know if the US is planning a war on Iran if/when the US pull out their troops from surrounding areas because they know they would be targets of Iran if they were to stay. Makes sense.

[J Surman]

I’ve just come from Countercurrents – it’s a good article Alan. Power to your elbow. A positive boost for the Indian companion party.

[J Surman]

Well put John Oswald.

I’m one of the minority here on the forum – a woman. In all the decades before I declared myself a socialist I never felt any kinship, nor was I ever involved with feminist movements.

However, I certainly wish more females would feel the need to involve themselves in socialism – and no, I have no idea why they don’t.

[J Surman]

I agree with your concerns. Amazingly, in conversation instigated by me with a number of people, so few have heard little about the possible/probable negative effects. Last week Global Research had a number of articles on this topic, well worth reading. This link will be useful for anyone wanting more information:

Search Global Research

 

[J Surman]

A thought: are all those millions/billions who go along with the capitalist system fluent in economics and philosophy? Then again, do they really go along with it? No, around the world it’s obvious that many protest, demonstrate, etc etc against laws and decisions they don’t agree with. For some of us it took a single extra something to enlighten us – I was one of the ones always protesting about something, demonstrating, boycotting, and it was my luck to stumble upon the SPGB where I, very early on, discovered the ‘moneyless’ aspect of it. That was all I needed after all the years of dissatisfaction with govt after govt – it gave me the perspective I needed to learn more.

I really don’t believe that all socialists have to understand 100% the theory behind the great idea, they just need to be stimulated by what they can see within the principles of the movement to be able to move on to passing on the principles themselves because they believe in them.

[J Surman]

Chinese purchases of Iranian oil raise tantalizing questions

An interesting one on sanctions – US sanctions of course – with which all are supposed to comply. I agree with Putin’s statement in the final paragraph which states (words to the effect) that whatever the outcome Iran will be the culprit.

[J Surman]

“Our movement has been fairly reticent in claiming that the climate crises risks human extinction, restricting ourselves to speculating at most that we perhaps face civilization collapse.”

My view on this is that it is more a matter of one single issue – although a hugely important and pressing issue. When we discuss it it will be clear that we consider this to be one of the ‘problems’ that capitalism/capitalists won’t address. We come from it from a point of view that recognizes the pressure to keep individuals – all individuals if possible – to continually aim at increasing their consumption of absolutely everything, everything, whether food, clothing, household goods, cars, newest technology, more toys and other stuff that both children and adults could never get full use of, totally indiscriminate consumption – – –

The bottom line is simply that this ‘issue’ will not be approached seriously until socialism becomes the chosen path, when quite probably the situation could be irreversible. We know the planet can evolve, change and continue, with or without us, but is humanity in general too stupid to recognize what needs to be done?

[J Surman]

You’re spot on Marcos. Unfortunately trying to get this point across to closed minds is almost impossible. However, we’ll keep on trying at each and every opportunity!

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