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Vin wrote:We don't even want to give a friendly smile to them, they are either clowns or anti-working class
This is just not true. When was the last time you actually went on a demonstration or sat on a stall with fellow comrades?
jondwhite wrote:I am optimistic about materialism replacing determinism.All 'determinism' means is 'every event has a cause'.All 'materialism' means is 'everything is matter'.So I don't know what you where trying to say above and I don't think you said what you thought you where saying…
Vin wrote:So members are in favour of the party marching with a banner at an anti-austerity march alongside their fellow workers?No I'm not in favour of that. Practically, if you do that it's only those around you in the march that see you. It's better to wait enroute and then disemenate literature as the march passes. I've been on demos with only one other comrade and have given pamphlets to pretty much all the people on the march that way. If we where walking with the block we would not have been able to do this.Secondly, our job is not to cheerlead but to offerr critical support. More like deSade's "Frenchmen, one more try if you are to be republicans" or updated for the present day.. "Militants, one more try if you are to be revolutionaries"
SocialistPunk wrote:I'm no pessimist, far from it. I have every confidence the fortunes of the SPGB/WSM could be improved. The first step is to recognise a change is long overdue.I appreciate the sentiment but I really don't think you're suggested anything that is that original or would be particularly effective. Of the problems the Socilaist Party face one isn't a lack of people offering opinions on what they think other people should be doing….Our problem is essentially an educational one, to do with changing the boundaries of what ordinary people think is possible or desirable. It takes longer to do this then it does to take a walk around Clapham Common.
SocialistPunk wrote:What I'm suggesting is quite simple, at least it would have been some years back, that the SPGB use tactics such as anti-capitalist demo's, events, etc to gain publicity.Members and branches do regularly hand out leaflets and sell the Standard at events like these, plus we have stalls at all the major TU rallies…
Not sure if anyone else caught this in the FT about YPG, PKK, Bookchin and Ocalanhttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/50102294-77fd-11e5-a95a-27d368e1ddf7.html
SocialistPunk wrote:The point here is, that the interest in alternatives to capitalism long predates Corbyn's arrival on the Labour leadership scene. The opportunity spoken of by ALB has been around for seven years now.Bear in mind though that these news articles are probably the result of savvy left wing publication sellers sending press releases to the media…Though I do agree, since the slump "capitalism" does get talked about more prominently and since "Corbynmania" possibly even more so…
robbo203 wrote:I put forward the idea of a socialist research centre or website which could engage the collective efforts of many dispersed members but no one seems to have taken up the idea.How is that any different to what is in the education section of this website? And if you're so enthused by the idea why not rejoin and make it a reality? After all, it seems that "World in Common" is now defunct?
Vin wrote:Perhaps we can compare these figures with figures from public meeting attendances and responses from flyers and the Socialist Standard.Apples and pears. We should still be doing physical meetings and publications regardless.
Since the website was modernised visits have been increasing at a rate of at least 40% per year.This site went live on October 16th 2011 and between that date and October 15th 2012 the amount of sessions served was 204,583This year between October 16th 2014 and October 15th 2015 the amount was 631,997.That's a growth of 209%
Vin wrote:Is it conceivable that money could exist without a wages systemWell yes that is conceivable, and it actually did happen. The wages system, capitalism, is say 300 – 400 years old tops. Money has existed for thousands of years..
rodshaw wrote:Meanwhile, Liverpool's new manager Jurgen Klopp says he will not tolerate individuals veering away from his methods and demands total obedience. Players must feel they are ready to die in the game.Would athletes in a socialist society tolerate talk like that? Would they need a manager at all?Depends how they have chosen to organise themselves. In some situations (firefighting, operating a ship, warfare etc.) hierarchical control is the most efficient way to go about things. If this apply to sport I don't know, and probably don't care either…
