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KeymasterThis is a good story: http://www.supanet.com/homeopathy-conference-hallucination-crisis-a16480.htmlMust be a lesson somewhere.
November 6, 2015 at 7:40 pm in reply to: Exhibition – Socialist Opposition to the First World War #115069ALB
KeymasterGood point. We should see the exhibition first and not shoot from the hip. The good news is that Comrade Scholey, of the Archives Committee, will be going there on Sunday to see and report back.Interesting that it's funded by the Heritage Fund. I don't suppose we'd have accepted money from it (the State) for our exhibition even if we'd thought of applying, would we?
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KeymasterGalloway stood in the 2008 London elections as the head of the list for Respect (parties can present a London-wide list for the Greater London Assembly elected at the same time as the Mayor)). His list got 59,721votes (or 2.4%). The Christian People's Alliance, which goes after the West African vote, got 70,294 (or 2.9%). See here. The lesson here must be that two can play at sectarian/communitarian politics — and that Galloway didn't come off best playing the Muslim card. He himself is (or was) a Roman Catholic Christian.
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KeymasterNo, that just a wry, rhetorical ending not to be taken literally, not that I think anyone would have done.
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KeymasterIs that all ! I thought that it was something serious. Anyway, the baker didn't want to express his bigotry only to not express someone else's view. Why should they be forced to do this?
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KeymasterIn our case, yes since the only acronym we have in our emblem is GB and even they know what that means.
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KeymasterOf course it is. That's our registered name. The others I listed are, as I said, "variants" of it , which parties can also register and, if they want, use on the ballot paper instead.
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KeymasterThey are offering us a free replacement variant of our name (instead of having to pay the usual £25). What about EsPeeGeeBee?At the moment the variants we have registered are:The Socialist Party (GB)SPGBThe World Socialist Party (Britain)The World Socialist Party(EU)The World Socialist Movement.I can't check because their website is no good either.I think slogans such as "Abolish the Wages System" and "The World for the Workers" might be allowed. At least they used to be.
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Keymasteralanjjohnstone wrote:contary to ALB's arguement that workers accept the need for austerity, i think it is that they see no victorious outcome in fighting it and for the time being accept the inevitable passively.ALB actually wrote:Most workers seem to accept the capitalist necessity for austerity at the present time or don't think there's much they can do about it.ALB
KeymasterAnother criticism yesterday of Corbyn for saying what we say (and said):
Quote:Meanwhile, it emerged yesterday that in a speech two years ago, Mr Corbyn questioned spending "shed loads of money" commemorating the 100th anniversary of the First World War.In April 2013 Mr Corbyn said: "The government is apparently preparing to spend shed loads of money commemorating the First World War. I'm not sure what there is to commemorate." He attacked the "mass slaughter of millions of young men".The name of the scumbag journalist who wrote this is Michael Savage, the Times's Chief Political Correspondent.
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KeymasterThe headline news today is "Cameron backs down over plan to bomb Syria". Once again, it's not because of demonstrations but because he doesn't think he'd get a parliamentary majority in favour, even though a number of prominent Labour MPs would back him but he can't be sure of enough of his own MPs.
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KeymasterVin wrote:ALB wrote:where were the "working class struggles"?Are you being serious?
Yes. Of course every single worker is involved in the class struggle every day whether they realise it or not, but as this is a constant it could be invoked to explain everything or nothing. I thought you had in mind something more conscious and organised than this such as strikes. As even the Trotskyists are lamenting, unfortunately there is no organised industrial struggle going on against austerity. Most workers seem to accept the capitalist necessity for austerity at the present time or don't think there's much they can do about it.If there had have been "workers struggles" against it the government might not have tried to cut these payments in the first place, let alone later modify them (and it remains to be seen how, probably some transitional arrangement for those already getting them with new claimants getting less as originally envisaged).And of course enough workers voted Tory in the general election a few months ago, including at least one on tax credits who protested on Question Time the other day and said she had, to return a Tory government with a mandate for further austerity. I think it was Eugene Debs who said that the sound of a policeman's truncheon on the head of a striking worker was an echo of their vote for one or other capitalist party.To be credible we need to respect the facts and reason logically..
November 2, 2015 at 12:23 pm in reply to: ‘Some Ideological Obstacles to Social Change to Socialism’ – 1/11/15 #114681ALB
KeymasterInteresting meeting but poor turnout. Yehudi Webster argued that the appeal to establish a world without commodities (goods produced for sale), wage-labour and money should be addressed to all humans appealing to their reason, not just to a section of them such as the working class (however defined). Party members defended socialism as having to be the outcome of the class struggle between the working class (defined as the vast majority in society compelled to try to sell their labour power to live) in pursuit of their economic interest and the tiny minority capitalist class who owned and controlled the means of production. Members with a memory or knowledge of past Party controversies will recall this as a recurring point of disagreement. The talk and discussion were recorded.
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KeymasterMaybe to some extent except where were the "working class struggles"? Party political factors, including within the Tory party, seem to have been more important. Ironic from a leftist point of view that once again (as over preventing the bombing of Syria a year or so ago) parliamentary action should have been more effective than demonstrations.
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KeymasterBut we do "support" all technological and scientific advances as making a socialist world of abundance all that more feasible. We have never been part of the anti-technology brigade but see the libertory potential of technological and scientific advances. It's not these as such that are to blame but the misuse of them under capitalism. I'm sure GMO technology will have a widespread application in socialist society.
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