Xmas No. 1
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rodmanlewis wrote:Tim Kilgallon wrote:As to the idea that music changes nothing, I disagree completely. Music and especially lyrics change the way people think. It may not, always be specifically Socialist, but songs such as "The Green Fields of France", "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" or from my part of the world the songs of Tommy Armstrong, from the 1880-1920s such as "The Oakey House Strike Evictions" and "The Durham Lockout" have influenced the way people think for generations. A well written song can get a message across in three minutes in ways that an academic discourse can never do. Anyway, it's late and I'm off to dream about a guy called Joe Hill
I suspect that they were mainly preaching to the converted. Perhaps we could ask how many members joined through hearing "socialist" songs or alternative comedians.Seems to me you only need to hear these songs once–there's no point in hearing them repeatedly. Rather like reciting the DoP regularly if you do.
I have a collection of more than 10,000 LP and I do not have any of them on my collection. I learned about socialism by reading books, and listening on a shortwave radio broadcasting from Moscow Radio, Tirana Radio, and Peking radio, and reading most of the index of the SPGB/WSM. Image from John Lennon has certain social meaning. Like Hegel said: We must pass thru the pain and suffering in order to obtain the knowledge. Socialism is a coherent theory, but we must read the proper sources, In 100 years the SPGB/WSM has made that homework for us.
Anything, I suppose, must be a better xmas no 1 than last year's (or was it the year before?) one by the military wives.
Vin wrote:rodmanlewis wrote:Perhaps we could ask how many members joined through hearing "socialist" songs or alternative comedians.This is an interesting but difficult question to address. We could ask that of any 'socialist activity'. I suspect socialist consciousness is more of a cummulative process. Very difficult to pin down the ONE thing that made you socialist.Anyway, I wish all comrades good will over Xmas and the rest of the year for that matter
VinI do not celebrate Christmas, but this is for you to celebrate your return to the forum:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdp_rS4FFb0&list=PL2e0e9Jjq0WcrABb5d8nA3vtAKbOmGs7x&index=12
Never reached number one. Apologies to cdes who do not like the party to draw attention to the negative aspects of capitalism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84RLgnz7Rs 'Let's stop all the fights'
Vin wrote:Never reached number one. Apologies to cdes who do not like the party to draw attention to the negative aspects of capitalism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84RLgnz7Rs 'Let's stop all the fights'Tuneless pap.
Vin wrote:Too many guitarists, and the hair! As far as I'm concerned there are too many guitarists in the world. It's the easiest instrument on which to say absolutely nothing.
rodmanlewis wrote:Vin wrote:Never reached number one. Apologies to cdes who do not like the party to draw attention to the negative aspects of capitalism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84RLgnz7Rs 'Let's stop all the fights'Tuneless pap.
That comment doesn't make much sense.
rodmanlewis wrote:Vin wrote:Too many guitarists, and the hair! As far as I'm concerned there are too many guitarists in the world. It's the easiest instrument on which to say absolutely nothing.
lol send me your videos and have a look a Hendrix and tell me he says nothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaIXYt541XA
rodmanlewis wrote:Vin wrote:Too many guitarists, and the hair! As far as I'm concerned there are too many guitarists in the world. It's the easiest instrument on which to say absolutely nothing.
Probably, you have not heard the Brazilian playing the guitars. They are able to produce a melodic sound that others instruments can not produce, and the Cubans are able to produce some rhythm with the guitars that others instruments can not produce either
gnome wrote:rodmanlewis wrote:HollyHead wrote:Let's not forget that in the sixties the Stones were thought to be heralding the collapse of society as we knew it…Which goes to show that music, however "radical", changes nothing.
I wouldn't be that dismissive. You may as well say that the 112 years existence of the SPGB has changed nothing either but you'd be wrong on both counts. Whatever criticism one may have of John Lennon's Imagine, it remains the widest and best known lyrical encapsulation of the world we want to see, set to music. And as far as the SPGB is concerned, it has, virtually single-handedly and for its entire existence, kept alive the case for real socialism and exposed the myth of socialism/communism having been tried and failed.
A few days ago a Leninist told me that we want to establish socialism in Jupiter, but I told him that they have tried to establish it on earth and It have never worked, all the reformists experiment have failed, it has never been established, and most of their organizations have vanished, including the Bolshevik Party, but the SPGB/WSM has existed for more than 100 years, and we have debunked the mystic of Leninism.
Vin wrote:rodmanlewis wrote:Vin wrote:Too many guitarists, and the hair! As far as I'm concerned there are too many guitarists in the world. It's the easiest instrument on which to say absolutely nothing.
lol send me your videos and have a look a Hendrix and tell me he says nothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaIXYt541XA
He never grabbed my attention, so I can't answer your question. I'm not saying every guitarist says nothing–from my experience of listening to jazz guitarists for 60 years I know that's not true.
rodmanlewis wrote:He never grabbed my attention, so I can't answer your question. I'm not saying every guitarist says nothing–from my experience of listening to jazz guitarists for 60 years I know that's not true.There is a lot of boring guitar music about, you have to be selective. Have a listen to Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd.
Vin wrote:rodmanlewis wrote:He [Jimi Hendrix] never grabbed my attention, so I can't answer your question. I'm not saying every guitarist says nothing–from my experience of listening to jazz guitarists for 60 years I know that's not true.There is a lot of boring guitar music about, you have to be selective. Have a listen to Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd.
=======================The guitar is only one instrument in the musical spectrum. Seems to me the only instruments the pop-listening public notice is the guitar and drums (which usually sound Boys' Brigade efforts). I've just listened to the Pink Floyd and it does nothing for me.Normally we wouldn't get involved in this sort of discussion, but as it's Xmas, what the hell!
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