Trump as president again?
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Ideology? The main thing in people’s minds when they call someone a “fascist” is racism. But Fascism before 1938 wasn’t racist. Nazism was racist, but the Nazis didn’t call themselves fascists. Fascism was Mussolini, and the Nazis had a lot of trouble trying to get Mussolini to listen to their racist policies.
Today, both “fascist” and “Nazi” are mere epithets that people throw at one another. They are meaningless.The Socialist Party wrote that without Marx and Engels, they would have created their own socialist conceptions.
Without Adolf Hitler and without Benito Mussolini, fascism and nazism would have existed in Italy and Germany, and World War II would have taken place; the same capitalist rivalries would have existed
Anti-Nazism was the pretext used by England, France, and the USA to stop the economic expansion of German capitalism, and the Soviet Union joined the same game after they were allied with the Nazis.
State capitalism in Germany was very successful, to the point that Roosevelt said that a similar system should have been established in the US, because many US corporations were making high profits, but the limited political bourgeois democracy of the US would not have allowed it
The left-wingers are not satisfied with the old Stalinist and Trotskyist definition of Fascism, and now, they have created a new one known as Post fascism ( like a liberal form of fascism ), used for electoral purposes.
It is a new devil used to scare the working class, and it worked in Chile, but it did not work the second time. Workers elected a right-wing populist, because the so called anti fascists failed
“Nazism” is the excuse Putin’s govt. used to scare the Russian populace into supporting the bombing of Ukraine, and the Kiev Ukrainians call Putin “Putler.” In the UK, the govt. always reverts to WW2 verbiage about being “in it together” to fight a war, and the Greens and lefties join in for “helping Ukraine.”
So many Nazis, more Nazis than humans! Nazis fighting Nazis everywhere. It’s a “nazipourrie”!
Racism and anti-Semitism were not the main characteristics of Nazism when England and France were racist empires in Africa, Asia, and the USA supported African slavery and ethnic separation within their own territory.
When the war ended, many black soldiers preferred to stay in Germany, and they considered that they had more freedom and less discrimination
Anti-Semitism was widely expanded within the USA, and several ships with Jewish refugees from Germany were not allowed to disembark in New York.
The Cuban government tried to provide asylum to them, but the US rejected it, and one Caribbean dictator allowed some Jews to become refugees and a sanctuary for them was created in Sosua to work in agricultural lands
The US government would have been forced to locate the jews emigrants in Ghettos along with the blacks, the asian and the Latinos because the Jews were viewed as black too, and the Italians were called pale blacks, or swart
When Trump is gone in three years, the same cycle of wars and crises and despoliation and pollution and holocausts on nature will continue under another President, Republican or Democrat, and that has nothing to do with Fascism (a dead Italian movement), but everything to do with modern capitalism.
Similar protests will continue after Trump is forgotten, and leftists will still be shouting about “fascism” and activists of every type protesting about this and that, and still ignoring and poo-pooing our message. And so it goes on.——————————————————
Joe Biden was the president who provoked the war in Ukraine; the Russians tried to settle the situation through diplomacy, and the US rejected it because it wanted NATO to install missiles next to the Russian border. Biden submitted several war budgets to Congress, and they were approved by the Democrats; the Republicans became anti warmongers.
Obama continued the same wars started by George Bush and the Republicans, and he was doing the same killing that was done by George Bush, and statistics were showing that the USA was dropping more bombs than the Arabs resistance, and he made an alliance
with the terrorists, and Joe Biden also allied with the terrorists to overthrow the government of Syria.With or without Trump and others, capitalism will continue like Johnny Walker, business as usual. The leftists are saying that the US is a society without a king, but in 1776, one king was replaced by another king; the president is like an English king surrounded by a congress. New landlords took over, and oligarchy has existed since the very beginning; it did not start with Donald Trump.
The leftwingers want their democracy back, which democracy did they have before? The same old capitalist democracy that was started in 1776, the democracy of the capitalist class, that democracy has not been eliminated, still the capitalists have full control of all the wages slaves, the state apparatus and the means of production, the elimination of social benefits is not a fascist measures, it has been taking place all over the world, since the decline of the post war boom and the failure of the social democrats.
The leftists call Nazis to a small group of town peoples carrying nazis flags, they are poor peoples, that are unemployed, they support capitalism like most others workers, they cannot even pay their rents, some are renting house basements, they do not have any popular support they do not have the same scientific backgrounds as the German nazis, they do not have the same industrial powerhouse and economic and military power that the German nazis had.
If Fascism is war, xenophobia, and racism, most democrats’ leaders are fascists too, and some third-world countries are fascists too. In Chile, all candidates ( leftist and rightists ) run a racist and xenophobic campaign; therefore, they must be fascist too.
Obama and Biden deported more third-world workers than Donald Trump, and he has not been able to fulfil his daily quota as he was planning to do
The leftwingers are saying that the new president of Chile is a Nazis because his father was a german nazis when he was 18, which means that he inherited his father’s political views, which is pure idealism.m
Yes. As soon as the slave-owning bourgeois colonial gentry had defeated the British, they squeezed the poor farmers and crushed them when they rebelled (Shay’s rebellion). “OUR war of independence, not yours!” was the message, no matter that the poor had been deceived; after 1776 they had to buckle under again and know their place.
Both TM and CDM would like to dismiss the words Fascism and Nazism from the political lexicon as if the second world war had never happened and that there are no lessons to learn from that terrible time. This seems to me to be totally irrational. They keep invoking the left’s use of these words to emphasize why we should be prevented from their usage. The left use the term ‘socialism’ quite often so does that mean we shouldn’t? Of course not – the left’s lexicon is a red herring in this debate. Was the holocaust an example of capitalist ‘business as usual?
Never have we said the words should be removed from (correct, historical) usage.
I dare say the native Americans and other victims of colonialism would agree that the Holocaust was indeed capitalist business as usual – as would the Palestinians.
I do not think that the word Fascism has been dismissed in our analysis. We are trying to place it in its own historical and economic context and within its proper definition and meaning. What the left has done is to distort the concept of socialism to the point that we should change the name.
The killing of almost 70 million natives and the genocide of 50 millions of african slaves was another Holocaust, as Fredrik Douglas said: Your 4th of July is not our Fourth of July, and the native calls the so-called discovery of America a day of sorrow. It was the settlers’ colonialism
://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/nations-story-what-slave-fourth-july
Business as usual, with no need for Nazism or Fascism, but going on all the same and all the time under capitalism:
(And other animals are being put through an Auschwitz by the tens of millions every day of every year with no sign of let-up and never a peep from 99.9% of people, including socialists!) It is all business as usual under this system, just as profits and wars are. “To the [other] animals, all humans are Nazis.” (Patterson, Eternal Treblinka).
I despair if you guys consider the holocaust as capitalism’s business as usual. Auschwitz was an immense city of death- I think you guys should pay it a visit sometime. So you believe no progress has been made since the days of slavery? You don’t think that the treatment of women and children has improved immeasurably over the last hundred years in many parts of the world? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater! No wonder TM longs for the end of the world. CDM – we don’t confine Marxian socialism to the late 19th century so as to understand its historical context. Socialism is a living ideology as is, unfortunately, Fascism and Bolshevism. The fact that capitalism’s failure is responsible for the survival of these ideologies (including, of course, Socialism) does not mean that they cease to exist.
I think Wez is seduced by the Trump Is The Problem movement now current and forgetting that capitalism is the problem, which is what people need to wake up to, not go down yet another blind alley. After the Trump blind alley there’ll be another, and another, and another.
TM – What ‘blind alley’ is that? Critiquing contemporary Fascism like we do every other ideology based on capitalism?
Nationalism is a better word, but then, nation-states being the political units of capitalist society, all politicians are nationalists.
And, “All government is violence.”
(Tolstoy).You seem to think socialism too is an ideology. It is, in fact, the conclusion drawn from socio-historical scientific thought. By calling it an ideology, you hazardously flirt with the “every view is equally valid” nonsense.
As for Fascism, only Italy called itself Fascist, and Mussolini’s views were those of every capitalist state – which is why it was only in war and defeat that Mussolini was disowned by the parliamentary “democracies” whereas in the 1920s and 30s Britain especially had praised him to the skies as “a strong leader” who “did wonders for his country” – which is the stuff of every party campaign in the world, except for us of course.
You probably think too that WW2 was a war between “fascism and democracy” and that Germany, Italy and Japan were united by “fascism.”
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