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It's the front group of the remnants of the British SWPs supporters in Greece. Once one of the largest such groupings outside the uk. It was ripped apart by the machinations of the British leaders determination to remain top dogs. They formed their opposition to syriza after it refused to acknowledge their natural role as the leadership of the proletariat, and so, bitterly denounce the reformist syriza for not adopting their (virtually identical) set of reforms.
Looks like the 'left' are being swept to power in Greece, a UK labour government in May and we could see Socialism in Europe, wow Finally an end to capitalism!
People in Greece would have to have been masochists to vote for the other lot. Sad thing is that, given capitalism, Syriza won't be able to do much for them.
Vin I agree the "left" looks as is it will obtain power in Greece and hopefully tell the World banksters where to go but I dont see New Labour as a Socialist Party it gave that name up when it shook hands with Maggie and went right wing as the 99 % were "processed " via the BBC and others that Union asssociation was "a bad thing " for votes . Just look to the US where you cant get a hairs breadth between the Repulicans and the Democrats in down to earth practice. Did you miss the New Labour voting with the Tories for what was it £32 billion of cuts in welfare etc so that the nation debt of payback is assuredly paid not by millionaires/billionaires but the POOR! Achieved by cutting many benefits. I never thought I would see food banks and soup kitchens(provided by the salvation army etc ) would exist in the year 2015 People should wake up to reality as to what actually happening here and now not 20-50 years ago. Its as if people live in a dream world of non -reality made worse by the UK media who do their best to obey neo-con Westminster putting out lie after lie. You do know that the media is heavily censored in this country ,dont you ? WE-the 99 % are only national insurance numbers to be worked neary now until death.
ALB wrote:Syriza won't be able to do much for them.This is it. No matter how well intentioned a reformist government is – and I don't know if this one is – it has to deal with the realities of capitalism.
Sorry Duncan, I was being facetious, I don't believe that the 'left' in Greece will help the working class any more than 'old' labour did. I am not very good with humour
Irony never works properly as someone is bound to think you mean what your words say. That's what they taught us at Speakers Class.
ALB wrote:Irony never works properly as someone is bound to think you mean what your words say. That's what they taught us at Speakers Class.so it's probably silly of me to offer congratulations to capitalists everywhere following one of their parties' stunning victory in the GReek election?
This is getting too complicated for me: irony on irony! Being unironic for a moment I wouldn't describe Syriza as "a capitalists party". It's rather a classic "reformist" party like the Social Democratic parties of yesteryear that thinks that it may be able to counter or overcome the economic laws of capitalism. Unfortunately, it cannot, as history has confirmed on a number of occasions. But at least workers in Greece aren't taking things lying down.
Ian I realise that most of you here are looking for the "Holy Grail" of perfection in alignment to your political beliefs obtaining philosofical perfection and so condemn those not perfect . While this is good as a talking point thats all it is . It doesnt frighten Westminster . What you need is action , bringing the 99 % round to your point of view or revolution . THe UK government has like the US got that locked down tight and if you advocated action you would like has happened to me many times you would be attacked your PC rubbished and your server taken out too as happens to other sites I post on. Viruses implanted to slow down reaching this site and very slow page turning. OKay you dont approve of the new party that will take over in Greece but they are still left wing compared to many including the UK,cant you at least say -well its a step in the right direction ? Can you initiate a revolution of the peoples minds even with the present Depression and hardship of the poor they still wont go far to the left as witnessed in election after election here.They vote in far right neo-cons because they want their shares to rise and house prices to rise as well . If you are unbending they wont vote for you thats a fact. I am just looking for reality and practical down to earth views of the way to achieve the removal of the yoke round the necks of the poor.
ALB wrote:This is getting too complicated for me: irony on irony! Being unironic for a moment I wouldn't describe Syriza as "a capitalists party". It's rather a classic "reformist" party like the Social Democratic parties of yesteryear that thinks that it may be able to counter or overcome the economic laws of capitalism. Unfortunately, it cannot, as history has confirmed on a number of occasions. But at least workers in Greece aren't taking things lying down.my memory may be playing tricks, but the victory of PASOK in 1981 (was it?) was heralded in similar terms as this result by Militant, SWP etc & we all know how much was achieved then
Duncan, the reason workers wont go to the left is because it fails miserably as Alb has suggested.Capitalism cannot work in workers interests :: left or right
Next Spain with Podemosthen Germany with Die LinkeAnd UK a Labour Partycoalition dependent upon the Green Party/SNP vote pushed left And then all the crying of class traitors..betrayal…sell-out…double-crossAnd then the backlash…The march of jack-boots and the sight of black-shirts…troops on the street corners …the Right/fascists declare the Left have had their chance, now it is our turn…DOOM …GLOOM… AAAAAARGGGGGGGGGG
I fear the same, Alan
No duncan lucas, it's not a step in the right direction. In fact it's another pointless blind alley. Syriza and workers are going one way, up the proverbial blind alley, and it will take them another while to extricate thgemselves from. Meanwhile, the wealthy will get wealthier, the poor poorer and more disallusioned, and Capitalism will continue not to give a fuck about the majority. After all, there are plenty of cattle for the slaughterhouse. Problem is, this kine fights fucking back. All it needs is enough of us to do this, and our betters are fubared. We must, however, fight back in a class conscious, considered way. While we are expected to "storm the barricades", we will ever so quietly, sneak in and dispossess the arsewipes. That is, when we have the class consciousness, understanding and collective will, to do so. Until then for worker, read "Kine". Everyone "get" it?
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