New Left of Labour Political Party?

December 2025 Forums General discussion New Left of Labour Political Party?

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  • #260485
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Actually that’s all conventional politics is these days and gets headline news as if we’re supposed to be interested.

    #260486
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    That’s the same as with the Jacobins. In the Journal des débats of the 1790s, it is all personal attacks and rivalries.
    Bolshevik groups and govts too.

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    If you put all the Bolshevik splits into a blender, you will obtain the same juice, the same substance; the basic differences are based on leadership, who is the boss, who is the best theoritician, it is just Lenin’s inheritance

    I know one particular Leninist organization that had 20 splits, and all of them no longer exist; they became smaller and weaker. At every public meeting, they had more pictures of leaders, heroes, and martyrs hanging on the walls than principles

    #260487
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    I remember an old interview with an arrested Khmer Rouge leader where the interviewer said in passing, “Now, you are Communists, …”
    The KR leader at that point burst into uncontrollable chuckling.

    #260497
    ALB
    Keymaster

    This is quite a good article about the left and leaders:

    The New Party Fallout Shows That Hero-Worship Gets Us Nowhere

    #260499
    ALB
    Keymaster

    You can now join the new party (again). It says you can’t be a member of another political party. So no SWP, SPEW or RCP members allowed in — as if that will stop them.

    https://in.yourparty.uk/users/sign_up?

    #260502
    imposs1904
    Participant

    This turned up in my YouTube recommendations.

    The New Statesman’s take on the current difficulties in Your Party, combining smugness and condescension like only the New Statesman can do:

    #260503
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Report of what Sultana said at a meeting in Sheffield yesterday:

    “At a meeting in Sheffield on the evening of September 24, Zarah Sultana said: “Yes of course we must get rid of the monarchy, I am a republican.” Later she stressed that, “the main difference between us and the Greens is that we are a class-based party, we recognise the power of the working class. We identity as a socialist party and proudly so.”

    The trouble is that she doesn’t define what she means by socialism. She seems to mean by “socialist” simply a party committed to improving conditions for workers under capitalism rather than one committed to replacing capitalism by socialism. In other words, a reformist party. Which we all know it will be.

    #260505
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Apparently Roger Hallam has been let out of jail and is planning to join the new party. I wonder what havoc he will wreak there, given his undemocratic view that, expressed and put into practice when he was in XR and Just Stop Oil (and which got him jailed), that society could be changed by the actions of a mere 3.5% of the population. Or maybe he’s changed his mind on that.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/08/what-roger-hallam-learned-in-prison

    #260648
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I have to confess that after listening to Hallam’s contribution here he wasn’t as bad — or as mad — as I expected. He is basically defending the idea of selecting by lot the delegates to the founding conference of the new party; which of course is precisely what the group behind the discussion (the Weekly Worker group who have decided to enter the new party) don’t want as it deprives them of the chance to manipulate things so as to get a delegate or two.

    At one point Hallam said that “sortition equals socialism” on the grounds that it would increase “working class” representation in parliament to align with their proportion of the total population.

    Actually, lot is one way of choosing decision-makers in socialism. After all, we use it to chose the “Leader” that the law says we must appoint to register with the Electoral Commission as a political party.

    #260683
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Since Tuesday “Your Party” is a political party registered with the Electoral Commission under that name. It can change this later. Corbyn is the registered Leader. Some see this as a sinister plot to dish Sultana but there is no provision to register more than one Leader (nor, unfortunately, not to register one at all):

    https://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP18172

    #260734
    ALB
    Keymaster

    https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/article/labour-guilty-being-reforms-handmaidens-says-polanski

    It looks like the Greens have stolen the new party’s clothes even before it has been founded. The same policies and the same rhetoric.

    #260806
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Two London Branch members went to a meeting of a Lambeth pre-branch of the proposed new party. We were surprised to see that most of the 70 or so others there were of pension age. The main speaker was an ex-Trotskyist who had joined Labour when Corbyn became Labour leader only to be expelled in the purge of Corbyn supporters after he resigned.

    In his speech two things were of interest. He said he hoped that the new party would be “anti-capitalist” but would still stay in if it was only a Left party. He also referred to a rival Lambeth pre-branch set up by the SWP. He hoped the two would eventually merge.

    If this happens, it promises a struggle for offices between the SWP and Anti-Capitalist Resistance, the Trotsky group active in the pre-branch meeting we went to.

    #260822
    ALB
    Keymaster

    At a rally in Liverpool on Thursday Zara Sultana declared:

    “We’re not here for lowering a few bills here and there, and the sprinkling of a wealth tax. We are here for a fundamental transformation of society: the means of production controlled by workers”.

    If the new party was really going to be a socialist party something like that would have to be its main aim. The trouble is that a “sprinkling” of reforms will be all that the new party will be campaigning for, reserving talk of the workers controlling the means of production to May Day rallies and other ceremonial occasions.

    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/corbyn-and-sultana-stand-united-liverpool-your-party-rally

    #260835
    ste finch
    Participant

    I learn from Corbyn (today;s Guardian) that private property is the result of undemocratic politics….

    “I’ll go further: undemocratic parties produce undemocratic societies, where a small section of society owns the resources we all need to survive.”

    I’m glad he has such a clear grasp of history, and of the future because

    “Democratic parties produce democratic societies; where wealth and resources are owned by us all”

    So we can confidently expect Your Farty to come out in favour of expropriating the owning class. Not!!

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    #261040
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Went to a SPEW meeting yesterday evening in Brixton on “What next for Corbyn’s ‘Your Party’?” to find out first hand what their line was. There were about 3O there, probably all Spewers save 2 or 3.

    One said that they were joining the new party not as individuals but as SPEW members (so it’s “entry” en masse as an organised group). They will be participating in the South London YPS members assembly in 2 November as a bloc which their model motion.

    This proposes that the YP constitution should be a federation of local groups, trade unions and affiliated parties, including them.

    Asked how they would get round the current YP ban on also being a member of another national party, the speaker replied that this point had not yet been clarified as membership of some registered local parties was being regarded membership of a YP pre-branch. So it looks as if they are going to stay in until such time as they are told they can’t be.

    It looks like this might be a cynical raid on the YP to see how many of its members they can take with them when they have to go, as surely they will have to. There can’t be any prospect of the new party allowing groups like SPEW, SWP, RCP, etc affiliating to it.

    On elections, it seems they want to see locally chosen candidates, hoping that some of their members will be able to stand for the new party. Unlike some of the other trot sects, they are not hostile on principle to working with the Greens and say they would be prepared to support Greens as candidates who stood on a “no cuts” platform.

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