New Left of Labour Political Party?
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September 23, 2025 at 11:38 am #260485
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KeymasterActually that’s all conventional politics is these days and gets headline news as if we’re supposed to be interested.
September 23, 2025 at 6:47 pm #260486Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantThat’s the same as with the Jacobins. In the Journal des débats of the 1790s, it is all personal attacks and rivalries.
Bolshevik groups and govts too.————————————————–
If you put all the Bolshevik splits into a blender, you will obtain the same juice, the same substance; the basic differences are based on leadership, who is the boss, who is the best theoritician, it is just Lenin’s inheritance
I know one particular Leninist organization that had 20 splits, and all of them no longer exist; they became smaller and weaker. At every public meeting, they had more pictures of leaders, heroes, and martyrs hanging on the walls than principles
September 23, 2025 at 6:52 pm #260487Thomas_More
ParticipantI remember an old interview with an arrested Khmer Rouge leader where the interviewer said in passing, “Now, you are Communists, …”
The KR leader at that point burst into uncontrollable chuckling.September 24, 2025 at 9:11 am #260497ALB
KeymasterThis is quite a good article about the left and leaders:
The New Party Fallout Shows That Hero-Worship Gets Us Nowhere
September 24, 2025 at 2:53 pm #260499ALB
KeymasterYou can now join the new party (again). It says you can’t be a member of another political party. So no SWP, SPEW or RCP members allowed in — as if that will stop them.
September 25, 2025 at 1:48 am #260502imposs1904
ParticipantThis turned up in my YouTube recommendations.
The New Statesman’s take on the current difficulties in Your Party, combining smugness and condescension like only the New Statesman can do:
September 25, 2025 at 10:55 am #260503ALB
KeymasterReport of what Sultana said at a meeting in Sheffield yesterday:
“At a meeting in Sheffield on the evening of September 24, Zarah Sultana said: “Yes of course we must get rid of the monarchy, I am a republican.” Later she stressed that, “the main difference between us and the Greens is that we are a class-based party, we recognise the power of the working class. We identity as a socialist party and proudly so.”
The trouble is that she doesn’t define what she means by socialism. She seems to mean by “socialist” simply a party committed to improving conditions for workers under capitalism rather than one committed to replacing capitalism by socialism. In other words, a reformist party. Which we all know it will be.
September 25, 2025 at 5:36 pm #260505ALB
KeymasterApparently Roger Hallam has been let out of jail and is planning to join the new party. I wonder what havoc he will wreak there, given his undemocratic view that, expressed and put into practice when he was in XR and Just Stop Oil (and which got him jailed), that society could be changed by the actions of a mere 3.5% of the population. Or maybe he’s changed his mind on that.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2025/08/what-roger-hallam-learned-in-prison
September 30, 2025 at 2:29 pm #260648ALB
KeymasterI have to confess that after listening to Hallam’s contribution here he wasn’t as bad — or as mad — as I expected. He is basically defending the idea of selecting by lot the delegates to the founding conference of the new party; which of course is precisely what the group behind the discussion (the Weekly Worker group who have decided to enter the new party) don’t want as it deprives them of the chance to manipulate things so as to get a delegate or two.
At one point Hallam said that “sortition equals socialism” on the grounds that it would increase “working class” representation in parliament to align with their proportion of the total population.
Actually, lot is one way of choosing decision-makers in socialism. After all, we use it to chose the “Leader” that the law says we must appoint to register with the Electoral Commission as a political party.
October 2, 2025 at 8:10 pm #260683ALB
KeymasterSince Tuesday “Your Party” is a political party registered with the Electoral Commission under that name. It can change this later. Corbyn is the registered Leader. Some see this as a sinister plot to dish Sultana but there is no provision to register more than one Leader (nor, unfortunately, not to register one at all):
https://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP18172
October 4, 2025 at 3:28 pm #260734ALB
Keymasterhttps://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/article/labour-guilty-being-reforms-handmaidens-says-polanski
It looks like the Greens have stolen the new party’s clothes even before it has been founded. The same policies and the same rhetoric.
October 10, 2025 at 11:46 am #260806ALB
KeymasterTwo London Branch members went to a meeting of a Lambeth pre-branch of the proposed new party. We were surprised to see that most of the 70 or so others there were of pension age. The main speaker was an ex-Trotskyist who had joined Labour when Corbyn became Labour leader only to be expelled in the purge of Corbyn supporters after he resigned.
In his speech two things were of interest. He said he hoped that the new party would be “anti-capitalist” but would still stay in if it was only a Left party. He also referred to a rival Lambeth pre-branch set up by the SWP. He hoped the two would eventually merge.
If this happens, it promises a struggle for offices between the SWP and Anti-Capitalist Resistance, the Trotsky group active in the pre-branch meeting we went to.
October 11, 2025 at 10:04 am #260822ALB
KeymasterAt a rally in Liverpool on Thursday Zara Sultana declared:
“We’re not here for lowering a few bills here and there, and the sprinkling of a wealth tax. We are here for a fundamental transformation of society: the means of production controlled by workers”.
If the new party was really going to be a socialist party something like that would have to be its main aim. The trouble is that a “sprinkling” of reforms will be all that the new party will be campaigning for, reserving talk of the workers controlling the means of production to May Day rallies and other ceremonial occasions.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/corbyn-and-sultana-stand-united-liverpool-your-party-rally
October 13, 2025 at 6:23 pm #260835ste finch
ParticipantI learn from Corbyn (today;s Guardian) that private property is the result of undemocratic politics….
“I’ll go further: undemocratic parties produce undemocratic societies, where a small section of society owns the resources we all need to survive.”
I’m glad he has such a clear grasp of history, and of the future because
“Democratic parties produce democratic societies; where wealth and resources are owned by us all”
So we can confidently expect Your Farty to come out in favour of expropriating the owning class. Not!!
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October 24, 2025 at 10:09 am #261040ALB
KeymasterWent to a SPEW meeting yesterday evening in Brixton on “What next for Corbyn’s ‘Your Party’?” to find out first hand what their line was. There were about 3O there, probably all Spewers save 2 or 3.
One said that they were joining the new party not as individuals but as SPEW members (so it’s “entry” en masse as an organised group). They will be participating in the South London YPS members assembly in 2 November as a bloc which their model motion.
This proposes that the YP constitution should be a federation of local groups, trade unions and affiliated parties, including them.
Asked how they would get round the current YP ban on also being a member of another national party, the speaker replied that this point had not yet been clarified as membership of some registered local parties was being regarded membership of a YP pre-branch. So it looks as if they are going to stay in until such time as they are told they can’t be.
It looks like this might be a cynical raid on the YP to see how many of its members they can take with them when they have to go, as surely they will have to. There can’t be any prospect of the new party allowing groups like SPEW, SWP, RCP, etc affiliating to it.
On elections, it seems they want to see locally chosen candidates, hoping that some of their members will be able to stand for the new party. Unlike some of the other trot sects, they are not hostile on principle to working with the Greens and say they would be prepared to support Greens as candidates who stood on a “no cuts” platform.
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