If aliens exist, then why does the alien Communist society do not come to the earth to overthrow the capitalist society?
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If aliens exist, then why does the alien Communist society do not come to the earth to overthrow the capitalist society?
Good question. Here's a possible answer:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2010/no-1274-october-2010/aliens
ALB wrote:Good question. Here's a possible answer:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2010/no-1274-october-2010/aliensThis is the basis of a great short film. All you need is a few members with pointed ears a camera and a trip to Scotland. Are there any aliens in the Party?
If they were carbon based aliens then to achieve the requisite technology to get here they would already have gone through capitalism and their visit to Scotland would hold no surprises – assuming that the process of historical materialism is universal as the original post implies. If this is so then, obviously, there could be no chance of 'imposing' socialism.
iWell one answer is in Star Trek The Next generation. [The federation of planets is communist.] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQQYbKT_rMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilY4hRgfC2Q There is the prime directive which forbids the interference with intelligent life forms at a lower level of development which is explored more seriously in many episodes of The Next Generation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive In The Next Generation there are capitalist cultures like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferengi In that there is excellent analysis of the idea of economic base ‘reflected’ in superstructural and in particular religious ideology. Open contact with other cultures is generally opened with the discovery warp drive or faster than light travel for what it matters. With us it was the Vulcans that contacted us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_First_Contact The so called Fermi paradox seems to have become more paradoxical over the last 10 years with the discovery of detectable planets everywhere the look for them Planets around other suns was a big unknown when it was constructed. The first ones they were able see were stupid ones Jupiter sized ones in close orbits to stars or suns. But they are starting to be able to detect potential earth like ones now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox There has been some very recent further discussion on the Fermi paradox, as in the last few months. The life on Mars thing is also firming up a bit, recent announcement by NASA and Mars rover data a few weeks ago. And there is the stuff about seasonal methane emissions on Mars that looks as it might be the result microbial activity. It looks like life got going on earth as soon as it could or it cooled down enough which is the biggest paradox of all. The interplanetary transmission of microbes is a theory; possibly from Mars. They know it is possible as the brought back a bit of Junk from a previous moon landing. They were just interested in metallurgical effects of cosmic rays and micro meteorites and shit like that. When they put a piece of metal under a super electron microscope or something like that they found some snot on it with staphylococcus aureus on it. It is what makes your snot go green. They managed to get it to kick back into life and it is not toughest of microbes when it comes to things like that. They were confident it wasn’t post contamination as it was bagged up on the moon and the handling of it carefully documented. They have also been sending high flying balloons up recently hovering up bugs from the stratosphere etc. It is an old idea that looks like is firming up as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia There are arguments that have also firmed up recently that advanced organisms. By which we mean Eukaryotes which are just originally a more advanced type of microbe took a long time to develop ie about half way through. Eg 2 million years ago with life having started 4 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote Again recently as in less than 5 years mitochondrial analysis all that stuff seems to suggest that it happened once after 2 million years of nothing exciting. So there is talk about that being a freakish accident. Being whacked by massive asteroids every 50,000 years or less is another unknown which would put a crimp on things. Another one is that they develop capitalism like we do and trash the planet or blow themselves up like we are on course to. I mean why not?
I think we have more important issues to analyze than to waste our times with childish ideas. In the USA peoples from others countries are called aliens like they are from another planet
No-body mentionings Posadismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_Posadist
Quote:Posadas was the author of a number of works with an unconventional slant; he tried to create a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology. His most prominent thesis from this perspective was Flying saucers, the process of matter and energy, science, the revolutionary and working-class struggle and the socialist future of mankind (1968). Posadists believed that extra-terrestrials visiting earth in flying saucers must come from a socially and scientifically advanced civilisation to master inter-planetary travel and that the working-class should welcome the alien invaders as their liberatorsalanjjohnstone wrote:No-body mentionings Posadismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_PosadistQuote:Posadas was the author of a number of works with an unconventional slant; he tried to create a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology. His most prominent thesis from this perspective was Flying saucers, the process of matter and energy, science, the revolutionary and working-class struggle and the socialist future of mankind (1968). Posadists believed that extra-terrestrials visiting earth in flying saucers must come from a socially and scientifically advanced civilisation to master inter-planetary travel and that the working-class should welcome the alien invaders as their liberatorsLike the Aliens who helped to build the Egyptian pyramids, and the Pyramids of the Aztec, the Incas and the Mayas. To negate the contributions made by the working class for all those splendorous civilizations. Like the one who says that Egypt was a nation of white peoples and that the black peoples came in and destroyed the Egyptian world, to negate the contributions made by the Egyptian to the European world, specially to the Greek and the Roman. The last one is the Reptialian world, we are being invaded by Reptialian, but they do not say that in our biological development we repeat more than 50,000 years of natural history and in one of those stages we are similar to reptiles, we have the same blood vessels, and we have the same heart, we are amphibious living in a watery enviroment . All those aliens theory negate the materialist conception of history and adopt the theological or idealist conception of history, negating the contributions made by mankind in different parts of the world to the development of human society. I don't pay attention to that shit, they keep our minds out of the real roots of our social problems
i I don’t believe in UFO’s and stuff. What is interesting for us is the 7thof 7 parameters in the Drake equation. Put simply ‘civilization’ or barbarism and what it means; the recognition of self destructive potential of capitalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation#Lifetime_of_such_a_civilization_wherein_it_communicates_its_signals_into_space,_L
Just take a look at this forum, we have several post to these nonsenses about aliens, but do not have any post in regards to the situation that is taking place against little human beings known as children who are being used as experiments for the pharmaceutical companies and to produce profits for several corporations, and used as a political game.
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