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There is no need for a vaccine to reduce the population when capitalism is already killing millions of human beings and millions of peoples support capitalism and their capitalist leaders. There is no need to have a chip in our brains when the bourgeoise class has already inserted their ideas into our brains and we are following them like sheep, and many peoples are willing to die for them and kill other human beings to defend and protect them. In clinical psychology, there is a personality called bizarre personality and there are many bizarre personalities in this world
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/feb/10/instagram-removes-anti-vaxxer-robert-f-kennedy-jr
Anti-vaxxer Robert F Kennedy Jr has been banned from Instagram for repeatedly sharing false claims about Covid-19 and the safety of vaccines.
I don’t see the logic or justification for the authorities wanting to ban anti-vaxxers from social media.
The same principle applies in this case that the way to deal with objectionable or mistaken views is to let them be expressed and then to refute them, not prevent from being expressed.
So let them put their case and then shoot it down. Banning them is not likely to change their minds and provides them with ammunition to argue that they are being suppressed because the authorities have something to hide. And who who is not already inclined that way is going to be convinced by hearing or reading then?
Anti-vaxxers have existed since the first time that vaccine was introduced in human society, and the first ones who were opposed to vaccines were the medical doctors. The first ones who opposed the cardiac bypass were the medical doctors along with the church, and then the reality showed that they were mistaken, and it was proven by a person who never attended a medical school. Pasteur was not a medical doctor, he was a Chemist and many medical doctors were opposed to his Bacteriological theory and then, he was able to prove that they were wrong. In our time ignorance can be purchased from the supermarket
Meanwhile these people are operating.
The anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers cite the Nuremburg War Crime trials in their defence.
Do Mandatory Masks and Vaccines Break the 10 Points of the Nuremburg Code?
Capitalism itself has chosen to pass various laws to restrict free speech, criminalising some aspects of it, much to the consternation of the 1st Amendment proponents. To paraphrase Marx on censorship, we have to take the rough with the smooth.
I note Larry Flint, the pornographer, died this week
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/10/media/larry-flynt-obituary/index.htmlHaving defended the right of anti-vaxxers to be allowed to put their view on the grounds that the way to deal with them is to let them put it and then shoot it down, I can’t criticise Dissident Voice for publishing this. However, I think they can be criticised for allowing “Makia Freeman” (presumably his adopted name) to describe himself,without challenge, as:
“Makia Freeman is the editor of The Freedom Articles, a long-time truth researcher and a promoter of freedom. He provides insightful, non-partisan, unique and cutting-edge analysis on who’s running the world, how they’re doing it and what the deeper agenda is – as well as solutions for restoring peace and freedom to the world.”
His articles are not “non-partisan”but present a decidedly partisan view — about the world being run by a cabal who want to impose a “New World Order” restricting the freedom of individuals (and nation-states). In fact the very first paragraph of his article talks of “the covid cult” and references another articles of his which calls the current pandemic a “scamdemic”.
The basic arguments in his article in Dissident Voice is that mandatory mask-wearing and mass vaccination infringe the Nuremberg Code in that “masks” are “medical devices” and the vaccination programmes are medical experiments. I doubt that a court interpreting the code would decide that masks were “medical devices” unless they were also prepared to rule that crash helmets and safety belts were.
The Vaccination programmes could only be called an “experiment” if you regard the pandemic as a “scamdemic”. Having said this, there is an element of experiment in the UK programme — not giving the second jab within the recommended three-months. They have extended the time limit to 12 weeks without knowing what effect this will have. It probably won’t have any adverse effect but they don’t know and are in effect carrying out an experiment to see if this is the case. Whether those responsible should be face a Nuremberg-style trial for this is another matter.
So, if someone wants to do a detailed refutation of the views of this anti-vaxxer, the elements of this this would be (1) that the virus is real (2) that it has caused a pandemic and (3) that the world is not run by a cabal who have a hidden agenda (it is not run by anybody but is subject to the vagaries of the impersonal capitalist economic system).
‘Having said this, there is an element of experiment in the UK programme — not giving the second jab within the recommended three-months. They have extended the time limit to 12 weeks without knowing what effect this will have. It probably won’t have any adverse effect but they don’t know and are in effect carrying out an experiment to see if this is the case.’
It goes a bit deeper than that. Those with my condition (autoimmune disease) were excluded from trials of the vaccine to get it legitimised in such haste with the result that I still don’t know if it is safe for me to take. Knowing the system as we do it would be hard to refute that part of the reason for such a hurry was driven by competition and profit.
‘Knowing the system as we do it would be hard to refute that part of the reason for such a hurry was driven by competition and profit.’
The entire reason for such a hurry was and is people dying by the thousands. Is everything in capitalism to be denigrated simply because it takes place in capitalism? I daresay if they’d taken their own sweet time developing these vaccines instead of hurrying, people on here would be criticising capitalism for that too.
‘The entire reason for such a hurry was and is people dying by the thousands.’
I very much doubt that. Suddenly we’re to trust the motivation of big pharma? Anyway we now know that some of it is useless for combating the new variants and for the over 65s.I meant extended the recommended three weeks not three months of course as hopefully the context made clear. My three weeks are now up so I am now a guinea pig.
‘The entire reason for such a hurry was and is people dying by the thousands.’
I very much doubt that.WTF?
‘Anyway we now know that some of it is useless for combating the new variants and for the over 65s.’
None of the above statement is true.
‘None of the above statement is true.’
Perhaps I’ve been misinformed by the BBC again? My contention is that it’s entirely understandable why many have doubts about the efficacy of the vaccine. Our sources of information are the pharmaceutical companies and their scientists, the tory government and their scientists and the NHS. The first two have little credibility and the NHS is in its usual chaos. I find it surprising that a comrade is so ready to accept the establishment’s word on anything since our whole case is that capitalism corrupts everything.
‘I find it surprising that a comrade is so ready to accept the establishment’s
word on anything since our whole case is that capitalism corrupts everything.’So science = establishment does it?
And capitalism corrupts everything, does it?
Whatever happened to nuanced analysis?
‘So science = establishment does it?
And capitalism corrupts everything, does it?’
Of course – hasn’t that been our case for 100 years? ‘Nuanced analysis’ is an argument our opponents have always used against, for instance, our view of the class struggle. Do you deny the existence of a scientific establishment or that capitalism effects all aspects of life? I don’t doubt that great scientific work is being done but often this is despite capitalism rather than because of it. Would you say that our sources of information are always reliable within a capitalist context?
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