Carshalton Environmental Fair 26/8/13

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  • #82205
    Anonymous
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    Four comrades did the stall at the environment fair in Carshalton, south of London, on Bank Holiday Monday. It was more political than we expected and we had a number of interesting conversations with ex and current Labour Party members and others. We covered the cost of booking the stall and also had an advert with our email and website in the official programme for an extra £10. We should definitely go back next year.

     

    #95918
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Gnome, what's with this red and black flag? You haven't suddenly gone anarchist, have you? Even the Labour Party stall next to us was all red.

    #95919
    Anonymous
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    ALB wrote:
    Gnome, what's with this red and black flag? You haven't suddenly gone anarchist, have you? Even the Labour Party stall next to us was all red.

    Had I'd gone anarchist it would have been a completely black flag.  A completely red flag, on the other hand, has too many connotations as the latter part of your comment above illustrates.The red and black flag goes from bottom left to top right, with red on top and black on bottom. The red is the red of communism, and symbolises material equality in relation to the means of life, or the principle of from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs. The black is the black of anarchy, a free society without rulers. Together red and black symbolise libertarian communism. It runs diagonally as a negation of nationalism and as a reaffirmation of a world-wide community.The Party should adopt these colours.

    #95920

    I didn't know you were there: I went along to see a mate's band.  Obviously, didn't look at enough stalls…

    #95921
    jondwhite
    Participant

    Where is the red and black flag? Obviously our flags weren't big enough if YMS missed us.

    #95922
    ALB
    Keymaster

    If you'd bought a programme, YMS, you'd have seen our mention:

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    The Socialist Party, South London BranchFor a world without frontiers, where the Earth's natural and industrial resources have become the common heritage of all humanity, a world without money with production for use not profit.spgb@worldsocialism.orgwww.worldsocialism.org/spgb
    #95923
    Anonymous
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    ALB wrote:
    If you'd bought a programme, YMS, you'd have seen our mention:

    Quote:
    The Socialist Party, South London BranchFor a world without frontiers, where the Earth's natural and industrial resources have become the common heritage of all humanity, a world without money with production for use not profit.spgb@worldsocialism.orgwww.worldsocialism.org/spgb

    Or looked on the events section of this website:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/event/literature-stall-carshalton-environmental-fair-1000am

    #95924
    Anonymous
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    jondwhite wrote:
    Where is the red and black flag? Obviously our flags weren't big enough if YMS missed us.

    The only red and black flag is my avatar………..at the moment.There was, however, an abundance of red, including some faces possibly, next to the Party's stall.  

    #95925
    J Surman
    Participant

    Red and black flag, gnome? I think we should be shown – please!

    #95926
    Anonymous
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    J Surman wrote:
    Red and black flag, gnome? I think we should be shown – please!

    Shown what?  See posts #3 and #8 in this thread, Janet.    Dear, dear, what a fuss about a bit of coloured cloth…

    #95927
    ALB
    Keymaster

    It's the red flag not the black-and-red flag that's shrouded oft our martyred dead. Let's not repudiate our past !

    #95928
    Anonymous
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    ALB wrote:
    It's the red flag not the black-and-red flag that's shrouded oft our martyred dead. Let's not repudiate our past !

    It's not our past but the Left's and in particular Old Labour's and the Communist Party of Britain and SPEW hacks we encountered at the Miners' Festival on Monday who want to "keep the red flag flying here".  Clause Four, they cry; nationalisation under workers' control, etc.  I'm more than content to repudiate that past. Anyway, this thread has throughly gone off-topic.

    #95929
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Next, you'll be saying we should surrender the word "socialism" to them too?

    #95930
    Anonymous
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    ALB wrote:
    Next, you'll be saying we should surrender the word "socialism" to them too?

    Is that right?  You have a short memory; I was at the forefront opposing those who wanted, and to some extent succeeded, in decimating the Party's full name.  However, if there was an alternative word which might better assist us in the struggle to end capitalism I wouldn't have that many qualms.  I don't harbour any particular nostaglia for descriptions, colours or much else really.If there's something you and others wish to get off your chests about colours, Party names or what have you, why not start a separate thread?  Now is the time especially when the sub-committee responsible is in the process of making a decision about the new shop front sign.

    #95931
    ALB
    Keymaster

    We may as well continue here as it's started. It's only a side-show anyway. In the meantime I've come across a rather disturbing thing about the combination of the colours black and read:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_do_the_colors_on_the_Nazi_flag_symbolize"Blut und Boden (blood and soil)". I think you should change your atavar double quick ! And I don't think we should have this combination of colours on our Head Office fascia in case someone mistakes us for the Great British Socialist Party.

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