Amendment to Rule 8.
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gnome wrote:ALB wrote:Best to leave things as they are.It's a further example of rules being amended 'on the hoof'. First we had the rewriting of Rule 17 by the EC without it having received any authority from the membership, now we have this latest 'can of worms'. Then at it's August meeting the EC managed to contravene one of the Terms of Reference of the Head Office Organiser AND a Conference ruling, both at the same time.
As I said in an earlier post, it is a classic example of the Legal Maxim " Hard cases make bad law"I have posted on several occasions stating that this is not about Vin it's about how the forum should operate. Vin (sorry to say this Marra) is irrelevant, the important issue is how a democratic party, that has prided itself on over a century's history of free speech, to the extent of enduring physical threats and actual violence, manages a situation like this. I am still of the opinion that the principle of anyone, let alone a member of the party, having an indefinite ban from expressing views on this forum is an absolute travesty. I wonder how Moses Barritz would ract to a situation like this, you can't overwhelm the internet with an oboe.
moderator3 wrote:Forum rulesYour use of the forums indicates your agreement to abide by these rules, to abide by the decisions of the moderators in interpreting and enforcing these rules.Reminder: 12. Moderators may move, remove, or lock any threads or posts which they deem to be off-topic or in violation of the rules. Because posts and threads can be deleted without advance notice, it is your responsibility to make copies of threads and posts which are important to you.Reminder: 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.Thank you comrade for providing yet another example of just how unfit for purpose (that is the purpose of demonstrating how a socialist society would operate) the current rules (which look like they have been copied and pasted from a "World of Minecraft" chat room) are.
Well cdes mod1, mod2 and mod3, what do you do now? Adam Gnome and Tim have done what Vin is suspended for. Do you act? or ignore?
Tim Kilgallon wrote:moderator3 wrote:Forum rulesYour use of the forums indicates your agreement to abide by these rules, to abide by the decisions of the moderators in interpreting and enforcing these rules.Reminder: 12. Moderators may move, remove, or lock any threads or posts which they deem to be off-topic or in violation of the rules. Because posts and threads can be deleted without advance notice, it is your responsibility to make copies of threads and posts which are important to you.Reminder: 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.Thank you comrade for providing yet another example of just how unfit for purpose (that is the purpose of demonstrating how a socialist society would operate) the current rules (which look like they have been copied and pasted from a "World of Minecraft" chat room) are.
having re read my post, I decided I would paste rule 12 into google. The first two results were the SPGB forum (not surprisingly) number three and a very close match was the forum rules for a chat room about Planet Calypso. Considering the amount of discussion that has taken place on this forum about copyright and Intellectual property, perhaps the "author/s" of our forum rules have some explaining to do?Perhaps even more when you examine what Planet Calypso is about?"Planet Calypso features a Real Cash economy and can be explored on all levels as an explorer, entrepreneur or in a number of other professions and roles.While hunters go after the indigenous species or the ubiquitous Robot menace that from early Calypso history on have threatened the planet, miners look for precious resources using seismic investigation methods and more.Some choose to craft tools, weapons and other items for the open market where Calypsians can both trade and invest."Seemingly some people don't experience enough of real capitalism, they have to also have a virtual capitalism, for their spare time.Wonderful thing google!
I can hardly believe I am reading posts from thinking reasoning adults. The Moderators are Party volunteers, for goodness sake, doing valuable Party work.Rather than sniping from the sidelines, if any member of the SPGB thinks they can do a better job, let's have you volunteering formoderation duty.
ALB wrote:So the next time LBird is banned he'll be asking permission for somebody to post on his behalf and, if this is refused, then there'll be another long, tedious argument as to why the moderators did in the one case but not in the other.Don't drag me into your childish arguments, ALB.My response to being banned is not to 'ask permission' for a post-by-proxy, but to accept that the party has rules, and to simply conclude that the mods are as bad at reasoned argument about Marx, social production and 'materialism', as the rest of the membership.BTW, why Vin has been banned, but the rest of the clowns haven't, beats me. Vin is by no means the worst.
northern light wrote:I can hardly believe I am reading posts from thinking reasoning adults. The Moderators are Party volunteers, for goodness sake, doing valuable Party work.Rather than sniping from the sidelines, if any member of the SPGB thinks they can do a better job, let's have you volunteering formoderation duty.I am not sniping, cde. Vin is banned and entitled to answers. I am simply asking for clarification. I too, sometimes feel this is all a little surreal. We are taking about banning a party member for life or reinstate him and treat him as others, The mods are volunteers as are we all, noone know better than Vin for having years of hard work trashed in a few vindictive remarks. I agree with you on this and your previous post why cant they all stop playing games and act like intelligent adults. Treat Vin as they would treat other members, as LBird has said there are a lot worsecomradely
Tim Kilgallon wrote:moderator1 wrote:Tim Kilgallon wrote:So presumably if Linda asks, once the rule is amended, you will give this prior permission, working on the basis that all three of you have previouisly replied and responded to Linda posting Vin's comments, the three of you will have no problem with that, as long as it's in line with the other rules of the forum?It also begs the question, if Linda was to post a message along the lines of "my opinion (and incidentally that of Vin's) is…….." that wouldn't be in breach of the rules as Linda would only be indicating where her opinion was in harmony with Vin's.I have no comment to make on the undemocratic suggestions being made in this post.
Mod 1, I object strongly to your saying that the postings I have made are in any way undemocratic and I politely ask for you to withdraw them and apologise. I think that you have made a completely uncomradely remark.Not only that, you are factually incorrect. I have made no suggestions, I have merely asked two questions. I am surprised that you do not know the difference between a question and a suggestion. I would also ask you (this is a question by the way, just in case you get a littel confused) how can a question be undemocratic?
It appears an apology is in order due to a failing on my part to realise that Tim was raising a question and not making a suggestion that I alone partake in an undemocratic decision making process. May I assure posters that the mods make collective decisions on the moderation of the forum.
lindanesocialist wrote:Well cdes mod1, mod2 and mod3, what do you do now? Adam Gnome and Tim have done what Vin is suspended for. Do you act? or ignore?1st Warning: 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.
moderator1 wrote:without prior permission from the moderators.”May I ask via what channels would permission be requested and on what grounds would permission be granted/decided upon? How long will it take to come to such a decision?
lindanesocialist wrote:moderator1 wrote:without prior permission from the moderators.”May I ask via what channels would permission be requested and on what grounds would permission be granted/decided upon? How long will it take to come to such a decision?
Seeing you are currently in correspondence with the moderators via PM's on this very subject it appears this question is unnecessary.
moderator1 wrote:lindanesocialist wrote:moderator1 wrote:without prior permission from the moderators.”May I ask via what channels would permission be requested and on what grounds would permission be granted/decided upon? How long will it take to come to such a decision?
Seeing you are currently in correspondence with the moderators via PM's on this very subject it appears this question is unnecessary.
Well I (or we) appreciate the openess of the SPGB and wish to maintain such openess.
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