McDonald
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Please do forgive my misunderstanding. I am relatively new to socialism as a political theory in all of it’s forms. I am open to hearing and want to expand my current knowledge on the concept. So, anything that you can tell me, would be great.
Then I wonder how do you see society being organised? Because without the state to distribute law, protect those from exploitation and to prevent the re-establishment of capitalism, all myself see is a chaotic system were those who are able to gain power rule. Democracy needs centralised organisation for action to be taken and planned. It is pure anarchism not socialism, no proletariat need the state to protect them and there way of life but not as a sperate entity for both the masses and the state to be a dual system through the hands of democracy.
I think there had been a miscommunication problem, I myself am not a Marxist-Leninist. I personally just wanting to talk about the structures of power under a socialist state. The usage of the USSR was just to highlight highly centralised ‘socialist’ systems under Stalin as it is the best example for this question. Comparing them to polices under Lenin such as the Decree on Land which were localised to the peasant soviets. I do agree that the USSR did also damage how people view socialism, but I think a large majority of that is thanks to the ISA anyway turning communist into a fowl word. I agree with the viewpoint of democracy, but my main fear is that the majority through what remains of the capitalist system (through democratic means) will return back to a capitalist society. For example, if we create one single socialist country it is inevitable that the capitalist nations will attack that nation ideologically, politically and economically. As well because of globalisation we as socialist are under greater threat of our ideology being under threat through digital forces such as social media which is used by the capitalist to keep social control and indoctrination of the masses.
I think now more than ever the dynamic of media has changed since 2006 (by the way i didn’t just get that from my head i did have to search it). I was more focusing on the mass indoctrination through social media more. I think it is fair to say that media has developed into a more right based agenda. I ‘ll give a better example, Elon Musk purchasing twitter was not a coincidence but a utilization of technology to extend a right wing (capitalist) viewpoint to the masses. (In my opinion)
Thomas More, our struggle is one that take courage and determination. You must use this as an example to see how far indoctrinated the capitalist ideology is, these are people with false class consciousness and will attempt to legitimate capitalism as much as possible. Take pity on them, for they do not understand there own oppression. You should have pride in the fact you are fighting a system that has been rooted in are society for tool long. Disregard these comments and continue the fight for equality for it is a just and noble cause.
(That’s if this is not a historical case) if so i am sure you figured this out.
May I first say, I am not in support of state centralisation of the means of production. Because the only thing that achieves is a new bourgeoise to overcome and as you have rightly stated state capitalism. My conversation was more around general governance on the means of production, not control of it.
Marxism-Leninism is an incompatible hybrid created by Joseph Stalin.
Marxist-Leninism, was not created by Stalin, however Stalin did use Marxist-Leninism as a spring board for his own totalitarian ideology Marxist-Leninist-Stalinism. I am very aware that the USSR did not develop a Communist state, but what I am doing is acknowledging the struggles of establishing a socialist state. All though the USSR was failure, we as socialist can learn from that failure and prevent a similar situations from emerging in are modern time.
I think what the reform party best illustrate is the problems with centre politics and policy. It is a natural breakdown and subsequent repolarization of parties as the population begin to realise that there needs are not being met by central government. But what is interesting is that the further leftist parties, do not get the same attention as those on the right. I believe this is because the ISA (ideological state apparatuses) such as traditional media such as the newspapers and television and even new media such as social media are used by the capitalist powers to legitimate these capitalist far right parties. For example, the usage of Nigel Farage on ‘I am a celebrity get me out of here’, made the population accept his ideology as just. Or in short legitimating the legitimisers of capitalism.
I would have to disagree, efficiency does not equal effective, even placed under the idea of a democratic socialist state. We must ask the question who is this going to effect and what impact are the actions that we take.
You can make a system that is every efficient but actually is not very effective for the working class population and society. It all depends on how you measure it. I am not disagreeing the current elite methods of measurement are bias towards capitalism.
But its not Ditto for effective for whom as it is an important question to ask how is this going to effect society on a macro and a micro level. I am interested to hear your response to such matters.
I understand that Marxist-Leninism was built around a dictatorship model. But it is my own personal understand that this was a nasality for Russia at this time to establish a communist society because of the model of there own society under the Tsar (so I agree with you on that point). As Leninism states that once the systems of a communist society are in place that there would be a processes of handing over to the proletariat. But for myself Stalin was not a true communist, he was a puppeteer of the USSR for his own self interest. This is not unfounded, an example of Stalin’s disregard for equality can be seen in education. Lenin introduced mixed sex schooling bridging what was a massive gender gap for the Russian education system. Stalin on the other hand reintroduced gendered schooling. That it the most basic of Stalin’s own disregard for a free society with the means of production in the hands of the working classes e.g. Command Economy.
Thank you for your response, I think you have cleared my mind on some of the issues I was having with the organisation of power in a socialist society. I love the idea of a meritocratic socialist party and state, so I would have to agree with your points. The debates I was having with others was the efficiency of central control over the effectiveness of local governance, I ignored the fact that individuals have any agency on the situation. You have opened my eyes to a democratic system which adapts per issue and per population. Thanks once again, but as a follow up question, what systems would protect a meritocratic system from being reorganised to fit the needs of powerful individuals such as Stalin after the death of Lenin (and the murder of Trotsky) in the USSR.
