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I don’t disagree with the comtributions here but the quote below i found too problematic for the reasons outloned above:

“This, in itself, was bound to create resentment but IT MIGHT HAVE WORKED had not the United States decided to build up Israel’s military might as its proxy on the ground in the region to defend its economic interests there.”

Since before, during and after Israel’s formal establishment it was (and is) constantly at war, constantly genociding, why in the world getting armed to the teeth by the US be incompatible with Zionist objectives? Indeed, Israel has enjoyed untrammelled access to political power in the US, Germany, UK and the EU, and other Western powers. This has served them well, with the destruction of their enemies, Iraq, Syria, the neutering of Lebenon and Egypt. Though they got the ass spanked by Iran, again Israel begged the US intervene on their behalf in the end, for a nominal hit on Irans nuclear sites.

How could Israel be established any other way, but through terrorism, genocide, ethnic cleansing and with such benefactors and imperialist powers as UK, US, Germany, France, EU?

How could it.possibly survive as a a ziojist entity without the backing of the US, UK, EU?

Without this backing they’d have to shelve their racist endeavour and compramise.

But it would look very different state; not Israel: with mo apartheid, with formal equality, whether Christian, jew or Muslim they would enjoy some equality thats in a liberal democracy.

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I wonder if Spiked, the online magazine, is a logical conclusion of the RCP/Living Marxism/LM; a bunch of contrarians championing the free-market, anti green etc?.

Spiked has quite mirky funding apparently (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-hard-right-britain-spiked-magazine-charles-david-koch-foundation)
and Brendan O’Neil spat his his dummy out when Monbiot confronted him about it in the above article ( https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/12/03/the-new-mccarthyism-is-ruining-public-life/ )

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Noted. However instruction 1 seemed like a suggestion not a instruction.I'll know the next time.

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I mean I don't  know Andrew's facebook name.

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You are member Linda and you are not blocked. I dont think if I can make it any clearer. You son's name I do not know. As for Vin you know he is blocked. And he is staying that way unless he can provide assurances that he will not continue his previous behaviour. Get back to me if that is not clear enough.

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If your name is linda maratty you are not blocked according to my spgb fb page list of members. You do not appear on the blocked list.

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You are not blocked from the SPGB fb page linda unless you go by a different name.So this is a mute point

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Hi Two points here. You knew vin was blocked for bringing up this stuff. Yet you decided to go about it the same way knowing that it is out of order.Then you followed it up with some abusive comments about the admin of the fb group. Which is again out of order.So you did two things you knew was out order and you knew there was a correct to go about things.  Ie send a message to admin to find out the information your seeking.You went about it the wrong way and you new it was the wrong way.So you must take responsibility for your actions. I am sick of wet nursing comrades who know the rules but chose not to stick them.Your friendly spgb adminFraser

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Vin's abuse and his determination to undercut our fb page with internal matters haults any propaganda work. It has an accumulative effect. So he was and still is blockedYou strayed into the same area and in exactly the same way as Vin that led admin to suspect your account was being used by him. You asked.If you can guarantee that is not the case I'll unblock you.It's  a sad day when comrades need to give these reassurances.Fraser

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Hi VinI was going to say Vin that the SPGB fb page is not under the jurisdiction of the party so it would be out of order to discuss it here. But of course as it is run by members we are still subject to, and accountable to, party discipline of the SPGB.If you would like to get in touch with me to tell me your son's name I will unblock him.We can discuss your re membership of the fb site if you get in touch but not here.Fraser

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