The rise of ReformUK

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  • #258771
    Citizenoftheworld
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    They are all the same shit, the label does not any difference. In my time we would not have even elected them to clean toilets

    #258772
    Thomas_More
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    I’ve had to clean greasy spoon toilets.

    They are all capitalist crap, but if a nuclear war erupts, we can forget about socialism forever.

    Better a fascist who opposes war than a “liberal” who promotes it.

    But I only vote for socialism. Let’s hope we have time to continue voting for it.

    #258773
    piers
    Keymaster

    We had a District Council by-election locally yesterday where the UKIP National Party Chairman stood as a candidate. Looks like Reform UK have stolen UKIP’s followers.

    Name of Candidate Description (if any) Number of Votes*
    LINFORTH, Karen Frances The Labour Party Candidate 177
    MANNAN-RAHMAN, Hena The Conservative Party Candidate 425
    SHANNON, Moya Green Party 439 E
    STAYTE, Mike Liberal Democrats 112
    WALKER, Ben UKIP – People not Politics 5
    WREN, Jonathan Reform UK 421
    #258783
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    Better a fascist who opposes war than a “liberal” who promotes it.

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    There are more so called liberal leaders and cabinets who are promoting more war hysteria than the so called authoritarian leaders. The left-wingers based on the fallacy of anti imperialism and anti fascism are promoting wars and they want peoples to die defending the so called homeland and a stupid piece of fabric known as the flag

    #258784
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    We had a District Council by-election locally yesterday where the UKIP National Party Chairman stood as a candidate. Looks like Reform UK have stolen UKIP’s followers.

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    They are a bunch of crooks and criminals, and are promoting voters supression, but many reactionaries workers are voting for them, and they know that they are crooks but they do not care either, they just want a white buffalo, xenophobic, nationalists, racists, anti scientific, promoter of religious witchcraft, homophobic and anti communists, by the meantime the capitalists are accumulating and stealing a lot of profits from their free labor and they are loving their economic exploitation This society is experimenting an enormous retrogression. probably if we survive these terribles events we are going to need another renaissance

    #258786
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    “probably if we survive these terribles events we are going to need another renaissance”

    Must pull you up in this, historically. The Renaissance crushed women, began witch hunting, reinforced male dominance, and established autocratic monarchy, enclosed land, imperialism, racism and nation states.

    The freedoms of the so-called Middle Ages were done away with.

    Enough of this now disproven notion of the “Middle Ages” being a time of retrogression and stagnation between the “wonderful” Roman Empire and the “glorious” Renaissance!!!😡

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    #258787
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    I am trying to be sarcastic in the sense that the renaissance brought certain new ideas. I know that the real renaissance did all that that you have mentioned
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    Except for one fascist group supporting war: the fascist group known as Antifa, which tried to block workers’ anti-war protests in Germany.

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    The left wingers and the Leninists are like the menu of the restaurants, they have many varieties and different dishes. Fascism comes in two forms: Fascism and anti fascism

    #258792
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Here’s a survey of typical RefUK voters conducted in February on their attitude to the war in Ukraine:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-reform-voters-uk-help-ukraine-war-donald-trump-us/

    I doubt they feel strongly about it enough to organise anti-war rallies. People will give an opinion on foreign policy issues if asked but that’s all they will do. Foreign policy is way down the list of things that sway voters.

    #258793
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    Most workers continue believing in the same old rancid and backward idea that with their taxes they are financing the wars, and others continue believing that the so called homeland must be defended for freedom and democracy.

    Wars are financed by the capitalist class and the burden of taxation falls on top of the profits of the capitalist class, it is the same fallacy of the national debts, workers can not even buy foods and pay for shelters.

    At the present time thousands of workers in the so Called first world are buying foods, paying utilities, buying clothings and paying rent using credit cards, that is the real debt of the working class, and the bankruptcy courts are processing thousands of cases for the working class

    The anti war movement is dead, it died a long time ago, and it was not a real anti war movement, even more, during the Vietnam there was not an anti war movement, the only political organization that took a correct stand against wars and against the Vietnam war was the Socialist party.

    At the present the Socialist Party does not support any group of criminals and gangsters involved in the war in Ukraine, but most workers do not follow the stand of the socialist party.

    The socialist party does not wrap itself around any flag

    #258795
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Ambrose Bierce said it best about flags.

    #258796
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    Ambrose Bierce said it best about flags.
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    I had a friend who was a war hero and he had several medals, when he took class consciousness and became a socialists he returned all the medals, and he said: I was a poor worker killing others workers, I was a criminal, I was not a hero

    As the historian Howard Zinn who was a bombardier and he recognized that he was criminal

    During the War my grandfather said: Let the patriots and the defender of the flag to go war to kill themselves for the rich, I will stay watching the girls for them

    #258797
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    I had a Swiss friend who was a classical musician. He luckily found a shrink who got him off the draft. His brother wasn’t so lucky, but said he kept only two bullets in his gun: one to shoot his commanding officer, the other to shoot himself.

    Switzerland is the only country in which the army demonstrates against the army. Plus, all workers’ families have a rifle, so the govt has to go lightly.

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