Russian Tensions
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November 22, 2025 at 3:30 am #261509
paula.mcewan
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Hopefully we’re not on the eve of destruction-
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November 22, 2025 at 9:11 am #261511ALB
KeymasterYou’ve chosen TM’s favourite (cracked) record there.
November 22, 2025 at 4:51 pm #261525Thomas_More
ParticipantFrench pundits.
November 22, 2025 at 8:43 pm #261526Thomas_More
Participant” You’ve chosen TM’s favourite (cracked) record there.”
Just wait until after Geneva tomorrow. They’ll get at Trump, and the weapons will keep flowing into Ukraine.
November 24, 2025 at 12:07 am #261557Citizenoftheworld
Participant” You’ve chosen TM’s favourite (cracked) record there.”
Just wait until after Geneva tomorrow. They’ll get at Trump, and the weapons will keep flowing into Ukraine.
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The European powers also want a piece of the fruitcake, like the USA and the Russian capitalist class. There’s no goring among oxen. The USA already lost this proxy war, and on Sunday, Russia attacked Ukraine again
November 24, 2025 at 10:54 am #261562Citizenoftheworld
Participanthttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/11/24/jaon-n24.html
Europe’s hysterical war propaganda is not driven by any real military threat facing Europe but by the imperialist interests and anti-democratic political agenda of European capitalism. The European Union has more than three times Russia’s population of 143 million and more than seven times its economy of approximately US$2 trillion. Russian forces have neither the capacity nor the intention to conquer Europe.
By waging the Ukraine war, the European powers hope to enforce both their commercial and military interests in Eurasia, and—inextricably bound up with this—an ultra-reactionary political climate at home. Fully 89 per cent of Western Europeans opposed sending troops to Ukraine, and there was explosive social anger at pension cuts and other austerity measures used to fund the war. Yet the war proceeded, plunging US and European governments ever deeper into debt, and working-class opposition to war was politically suppressed.
November 24, 2025 at 11:08 am #261563Thomas_More
ParticipantAnd the Three Stooges have again turned the tables, which we shall see. The Trump document has been rewritten so that Russia cannot possibly agree to it. Ergo, Russia will be the one that rejected it, and Trump’s ire will again be against Russia. This time, Tomahawks will be again on the agenda.
November 24, 2025 at 11:13 am #261564Thomas_More
Participant” The European Union has more than three times Russia’s population of 143 million and more than seven times its economy of approximately US$2 trillion. Russian forces have neither the capacity nor the intention to conquer Europe.”
Which means it is in the interests of the EU and UK warmongers precisely to cause a war with Russia! Their political posts are on the line otherwise. They will continue to rearm over the next year or two, and then start a war; not Russia, but Europe, will kick it off. This is why they are saying war will come by 2028 or 2030 at the latest.
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November 24, 2025 at 2:14 pm #261595Thomas_More
ParticipantI think the conditions for world war are all there. The two main theatres, Europe and Asia, are already priming.
November 24, 2025 at 3:38 pm #261605Thomas_More
ParticipantNovember 24, 2025 at 4:35 pm #261607Thomas_More
ParticipantVoilà!
And this time, Ukraine will get its Tomahawk missiles.
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November 25, 2025 at 11:22 am #261633Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantRussia not in the loop, according to Peskov.
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That agreement was made by Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in Alaska, and then it was confirmed in Florida with officials from Russia and the USA in October. It was not made public until November, and the government of Ukraine did not know about it.
Zelensky will be forced to sign it because there is an American investigation committee that investigated him and some of his officials about corruption and money embezzlement, and several Ukrainian officials have been forced to leave.
If he does not accept the proposal, he would be forced to follow the same path; they are holding him by the balls, and the European Union, which knew about the corruption, would be forced to pay 50% of the reconstruction of Ukraine.
The territories that Russia wants to keep were under its dominion before the war, and most citizens of those places want to be part of Russia, and Russia is getting what it wanted since the very beginning, and the USA is going to obtain large profits from the Ukrainian natural resources.
Russia has been able to develop some modern weapons that the Western powers and the USA do not have at present, including weapons that can produce a big tsunami
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November 25, 2025 at 11:38 am #261635Thomas_More
ParticipantI guess we shall see.
So why did Rubio and Witkoff bother to entertain the UK, Ukrainian and EU reps in Geneva? Why did they bother to waste two days drafting a new proposal that Russia cannot agree to and has already rejected?
Europe triumphant:
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November 25, 2025 at 10:05 pm #261679Citizenoftheworld
Participanthttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-peace-deal-trump-driscoll-abu-dhabi-talks-latest/
Ukraine agrees to peace proposal, with only “minor details” to settle, official says, but no word from Russia
By Camilla Schick, Margaret Brennan, James LaPorta, Nancy Cordes
Updated on: November 25, 2025 / 3:14 PM EST / CBS NewsNovember 25, 2025 at 10:21 pm #261680Thomas_More
ParticipantThe “minor details” are the major ones, which have been excised from the original, 28-paragraph document, and which Ukraine have not agreed to: the very points insisted upon by Russia.
I tell you, the Europeans have pulled it off again, and the ball will be in Russia’s court, and Trump will again be in Ukraine’s camp, with Putin the pariah.
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