Russian Tensions
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November 20, 2025 at 6:59 am #261462
robbo203
ParticipantThomas
Maybe the Ukraine war might end sooner than we think, and all this ridiculous warmongering bluster and posturing by various warmongering elites will fizzle out in the rush to take advantage of investment opportunities – in both Ukraine and Russia
Anyway, here´s the latest bit of news on the subject I came across this morning
Also this
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November 20, 2025 at 8:03 am #261467Thomas_More
ParticipantMany thanks to both of you for elucidating this for me.
November 20, 2025 at 9:59 am #261468Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantMore than 15 trillion dollars in natural resources in Ukraine is a big wallet for the USA and Russian capitalists. They are not going to blow themselves up when they can negotiate the repartition of the territory; therefore, a peace accord is a much better solution for them.
The USA weapons industry is also in crisis, and several countries around the world are buying weapons from China, Europe and Russia.
Colombia stopped buying weapons from the USA and Israel, and now the supplier is Sweden, and other countries from Latin America are going to follow the same path
This is one military industry that is in crisis, and the Secretary of Defence has said that they can not find manpower to build more warships
https://research.contrary.com/deep-dive/americas-shipbuilding-crisis.
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November 20, 2025 at 6:29 pm #261475Thomas_More
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November 21, 2025 at 12:10 am #261480Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantThe peace plan for Ukraine. In some way, this is what Russia wanted since the very beginning.
They did not want NATO troops near their borders, and they want to have access to the seas for the Naval fleet, and they are going to keep the best territory with access to minerals, and the European powers are out of the peace plan.
This is a deal drafted between Russia and the USA
The dead are already dead, and the capitalists are going to enjoy their money, and all of them will continue exploiting the working class
November 21, 2025 at 2:09 pm #261488Thomas_More
ParticipantRussia not in the loop, according to Peskov.
https://tass.com/politics/2046889
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November 21, 2025 at 2:12 pm #261490Thomas_More
ParticipantAnd no dialogue on START either.
November 21, 2025 at 2:51 pm #261491Thomas_More
ParticipantEurope’s warmongering heads of state will dig in no matter what any peace plan.
November 21, 2025 at 5:33 pm #261492Thomas_More
ParticipantSky News:
“Counter-proposal to US peace plan in works – report
Reuters has reported that Ukraine and three leading NATO members – the UK, France and Germany – are working on a counter-proposal to the 28-point US peace plan.This is despite the White House wanting Ukraine to sign off on a framework of its plan by Thanksgiving.
A source told Reuters the counter-proposal would likely also involve other European countries, but did not specify which ones.”
November 21, 2025 at 5:49 pm #261496Thomas_More
ParticipantIt appears Russia has rejected the peace plan. Europe will be pleased.
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November 21, 2025 at 7:37 pm #261498Thomas_More
ParticipantBoth sides have rejected Trump’s peace plan.
November 21, 2025 at 11:17 pm #261499Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantAny agreements between capitalists can be rejected and violated by the capitalists. Not worth the paper. The Apaches had the correct view when they said: We signed hundreds of treaties and all of them were violated, and they kept our lands
November 21, 2025 at 11:18 pm #261500Thomas_More
ParticipantIt appears that Russia’s rejection was fake news. Misinformants at it already!
November 21, 2025 at 11:40 pm #261501Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantPutin says U.S. plan for Ukraine could form the basis for a final peace settlement
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/21/g-s1-98791/ukraine-russia-war-us-peace-plan
KYIV, Ukraine — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday cautiously welcomed a U.S. proposal to end Moscow’s nearly four-year war in Ukraine, saying it “could form the basis of a final peace settlement.”
Putin said Moscow had received the plan, which he called “a new version” and “a modernized plan,” which he said “could form the basis for a final peace settlement.”
“But this text has not been discussed with us in any substantive way, and I can guess why,” Putin said in Moscow. “The U.S. administration has so far been unable to secure the consent of the Ukrainian side. Ukraine is against it. Apparently, Ukraine and its European allies are still under illusions and the dream of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia on the battlefield.”
November 21, 2025 at 11:43 pm #261502Thomas_More
ParticipantSo how can it pan out?
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