Russian Tensions
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what about the military bravado of Putin? what is wrong with you? Putin winning would be like ultra-nationalist hitler winning, guess you are not bothered?
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The SPGB does not support either side in this stupid, murderous war. We are fiercely anti-nationalist. Our best advice to the workers fighting in the militaries on both sides would be to lay down their arms and desert. Of course, it’s not advice that is going to be heeded, given the degree to which the sick death cult of nationalism has influenced impressionable minds.
However, I am a bit concerned about the way in which you formulate your argument. You seem to be implying that we should be concerned that Russia is winning the war and that, by extension, we should be rallying to the cause of plucky little Ukraine standing up to the invading Hitlerite hordes from Russia.
Forgive me if I misunderstand you, but what you are proposing is itself an ultra-nationalist standpoint. You seem to care that an artificial entity called “Ukraine” should continue to exist in a world alongside other artificial entities such as “Russia”. Socialists, on the other hand, have zero interest in the maintenance of nation states and national borders. These constitute the spatial expression of the organisation of political and economic power under our current system of global capitalism.
Both sides in this war have their share of ultra-nationalistic fascist elements. On the Ukrainian side, you have the Banderites and the brutal Azov brigade that has committed unspeakable atrocities (let’s not forget what happened in Odessa or that 14.000 people lost their lives in Donbas since 2014 due to the Ukrainian bombardment of the territory after it refused to accept the new regime in Kiev that ensconced itself in power after an illegal coup). The Russian “side”, too, has units operating within its ranks that are no less despicable as has been discussed some time ago on this thread.
This is what war (and behind that nationalism) does to people. It can turn them into monsters and cause them to lose their humanity. As far as I am concerned, to hell with both “Russia” and “Ukraine” and their supporters on either side! All of them are complicit in making the world an even more dangerous place to live in today.
We should be opposing the vile ideology of nationalism whenever and wherever it raises its head, not choosing a side.
You seem to care that an artificial entity called “Ukraine” should continue to exist in a world alongside other artificial entities such as “Russia”. Socialists, on the other hand, have zero interest in the maintenance of nation states and national borders. These constitute the spatial expression of the organisation of political and economic power under our current system of global capitalism.
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The above statement does reflect what all nations are: Artificial entities, a myth, imaginary lines, imaginary borders, false creations of the bourgeois class which motivates human beings to kill each other defending imaginary lines, the so called socialist homeland, or socialist countries fall within the same definition.
It is the same case applicable to artificial entities known as Palestine and Israel
Practically, WW 1 was ended when the Russians workers decided not to fight and kill their class brothers .
Capitalism has adopted all kind of forms in order to save itself from its internal inherent crisis and all have failed and now they are promoting the so called economic nationalism, it is going to fail too.
Only the world working class will eliminate all wars and nationalist conflicts, we do not need any stupid leader to be followed, and they are not the main problem either, the main problem is capitalism
So the UK is talking about increasing offence spending to 3% of GDP by 2034. I thought we were told “war with Russia by 2030”? In which case, there won’t be a 2034!
Dolts.
Will Starmer need permission from Trump to drop the nuclear bombs from the American planes he is splashing out on?
I don’t think the warmongers need permission any more for anything. They are all acting independently. They can ignore both Washington and even NATO.
Super luxury new nuclear bunker for bourgeoisie heads.
https://tass.com/society/1903529
Wonder if the workers building it ever think, “We’re building it so the extremely rich can nestle down here while we and our loved ones burn.” Not likely. They are more likely to be happy with having a job.
In the early 1980s I seem to remember Reagan’s govt supposedly contemplating the “possibility” of a “limited” nuclear war on the European continent. Maybe I am misremembering. Anyway, rumors ceased and any such notion was binned following consultations with leading scientists whom I believe included Carl Sagan.
However, now, in 2025, the blasé talk of “being prepared” to use these weapons ignores science and the destruction of the only world humans have, and even the extinction of all life upon it is seemingly acceptable for consideration.
Thus does capitalism condone mass psychopathy in its “service” and so degrade humanity that the mass suicide of the species becomes thinkable.
I would urge the blasé to read the details of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki tragedies, to read THE POSTMAN OF NAGASAKI, CITADEL IN SPRING and other first-hand accounts, and see the film I LIVE IN FEAR. Lastly to read Carl Sagan on the effects of nuclear annihilation.
I believe the US also took Japanese veterans of Unit 731 to Korea with them, to use their “expertise” in spreading fatal diseases.
It is believed Trump will in fact authorise the use of Taurus, which Merz is in Washington to beg for.
The attack on Russia warplanes were conducted by NATO-USA using Ukraine as the intermediary. They provided the logistic, it is a real provocation made by NATO and the USA. Peoples have been fooled again, believing that the capitalists are going to produce real peace for them
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