Karl Marx's grave attacked

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  • #183217
    ALB
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    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/05/karl-marx-london-grave-vandalised-suspected-hammer-attack-highgate-cemetery

    The rulers of state-capitalist Russia should never have been allowed to put up that monstrosity as their regime had nothing to do with Marx and vice versa. I’ve always thought that we should pull it down as a protest against this. It is a pity though that this vandalism affects the original family gravestone which should have been left where it was and not incorporated into the monstrosity.

    #183330
    Anonymous
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    We are coming back to the old days of anti-communism and right wing fanatics.

    #183570
    alanjjohnstone
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    Again vandalized daubed with painted slogans

    Doctrine of Hate Architect of Genocide terror + oppression Mass murder

    #183573
    Anonymous
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    Well, the ruling class has made a fantastic job in the minds of many workers, and the Bolsheviks also contributed to that by presenting a false society which they called socialism, but most peoples do not know that it was also a capitalist society. Before when we did not have any internet, there were more bookstores and libraries and peoples used to read more, now all libraries and bookstores are empty and closed, many peoples are just playing music without reading the partitures. It is very sad that a humanist like Karl Marx is being treated in that way, it was my favorite writer and thinker when I  was a was  young and it would be until I  die

    #183574
    Anonymous
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    The rulers of state-capitalist Russia should never have been allowed to put up that monstrosity as their regime had nothing to do with Marx and vice versa. I’ve always thought that we should pull it down as a protest against this. It is a pity though that this vandalism affects the original family gravestone which should have been left where it was and not incorporated into the monstrosity.

     

    In Cuba they have named theater and cultural center with the name of Marx. Their society has nothing to do with the body of ideas of Karl Marx or Engels

    #183576
    ALB
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    By coincidence (or perhaps not) there is a letter in this week’s Weekly Worker which illustrates the thinking of those who carried out this attack:

    “With three million refugees and over two million dead in Venezuela, it must be apparent to even the most immoral and obtuse socialist or communist that the ‘socialist project’ inevitably means mass murder. Socialism and death go together like beans and toast: 100 million people killed in the Soviet Union, 50 million in China, 40 million in North Korea and untold millions more in Cuba, Vietnam and Laos.

    Nobody likes to think that they might have been wrong, but it is important to face up to reality and admit that not only has the ‘socialist project’ failed in the most spectacular manner possible, but that the very idea of socialism is a killer. All assumptions that socialists make about race, gender, intelligence, equality and, most importantly, human nature are wrong and have conclusively been proved to be wrong.

    Socialism now is simply a religion for people who are not quite stupid enough to believe in Islam – a very similar death cult to socialism and often associated with it. When one looks at people like Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell, it is remarkable just how stupid they are. People who cannot put a coherent sentence together want to lead us into a socialist paradise!

    I fully realise that the people who produce the Weekly Worker and the plethora of other publications may have good intentions, but, as they say, ‘The road to hell is paved with good intentions’. For people embedded in the concept of socialism it will be hard to come to grips with reality, but hopefully the more intelligent and ethical members will so do. If not, many more people are going to die in a totally immoral and useless cause.

    Malcolm Scott
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    #183579
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    Many of those statistics have been taken from the so called Black Book of Communism, ironically one of its writer was an ex-Maoist who later on retrieved himself  from his opinion. As a Maoist he should have known that Mao and Hoxha said that the Soviet Union was a state capitalist country and they called it the Soviet social imperialism but their recognition was in 1959 it was not in 1917 like the Socialist Party

    #183598
    ALB
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    Today’s papers have a photo of what was daubed on the front:

    “Memorial to Bolshevik holocaust 1917 to 1953. 66,000,000 dead”

    I still think the Bolsheviks should not have been allowed to move the Marx family grave and erected the monstrosity over it. I wonder how they got permission. One of Marx’s great-grandson’s, Robert-Jean Longuet (grandson of his daughter Jenny) was at times a bit of admirer of the USSR and may well have given the family’s permission.

    #183601
    Anonymous
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    Whoever was responsible for erecting the monument, which I personally don’t regard as a “monstrosity”, is largely irrelevant.  What we should be emphasising is that what took place under the Bolsheviks had nothing whatever to do with Marx or Socialism.

    And as a spokesman for the Friends of Highgate Cemetary said:

    “Regardless of what anyone thinks about Marx’s philosophy I just think it is an appalling thing to do. On a human level this is a grave of his wife, his own grave and other members of his family.”

    He added: “This is no way to treat a Grade I-listed monument and it’s a particularly inarticulate form of political protest.”

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