Two comments to make (well,
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Two comments to make (well, more than two points actually)We did split from the SDF as you say but we never repeated the mistake of entering into alliances with non-revolutionary, reformist organisations ever again. We never had to leave the 2nd International as Lenin did because we recognised before he did the predominant non-socialist elements within it and the inevitable betrayal of 1914, we never joined the 3rd, 2 and 1/2 or 4th Internationals, we never applied for affiliation to the Labour Party (only to be most likely expelled later) nor entered unity talks when the Communist Party was formed (only to be probably purged later). We learned from the experience of being socialists in the SDF.You accused the SPGB of “demonstrating a subconcious low opinion” of the working class, that we think workers are “dumb masses” and “being tricked” and that we “use language that few understand” and that we have “a rather abstract view of socialism ” but you don’t deny do you that SPEW readily admits to dumbing down their politics to gain support because the working class would not understand the nuances of their real position, that they make reform demands that they know are unachievable under capitalism yet deliberately withhold that “little” detail in their propaganda , or that SPEW changed the old terminology for new words and phrases (but still to express the same old object ) because workers saw through the original and have rejected the policies (and you dared accuse me of semantics.) You say the SPGB is “sloganising” when in the real world SPEW spends much time and energy in search of the right vote-catching, member-recruiting slogan. You say we are no different from those “Marxist sects” – the AWL and SWP – what a way of talking about other groups that have been your comrades-in-arms in joint ventures. Such expression of solidarity yet you nevertheless feel you can persuade ourselves to join together and co-operate with yourselves ! Geez..HCH. can’t you recognise your own hypocrisy in all those accusations against us and understand the exhibition of your own condescending elitism in regard to working class capacity to understand political ideas. The faults you identify with the SPGB are actually the mirror and reflection of your own party’s flawed politics, in psychological terms, it’s called transference. If we have a commonality as you claimed earlier then you should be joining us in the SPGB, not the other way around ( we have re-assured you that your personal individual involvement in the class struggle can continue. ) However, you will have to under-go a knowledge test to enter the SPGB and from your posts, i fear your application would be rejected.
