The first thing I must note

December 2025 Forums General discussion Leadership The first thing I must note

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Hch
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The first thing I must note is that you have dodged my question concerning not supporting the defence of workers’ social wage but you will engage in the struggle to defend personal wage levels. You have drawn a arbitary distingtion between the two to fit in with your simplistic view of capitalism and socialism. Please answer my point. Isn’t participating in unions to defend wages reformist, just as it is reformist to defend the NHS.  
I see ALB can’t resist being sectarian and reactionary by insulting TUSC, a response that would sit comfortably in the pages of the Daily Mail or even Der Sturmer. No wonder workers and especially activists turn their backs on you if that is your approach. Hundreds of candidates stood on No Cuts platforms, linking it with the need for socialism or victories gained will be temporary. But you even dismiss their goal of socialism as some form of capitalism, be it of the state variety. For example, the Socialist Party (the old Militant, CWI) which participated in TUSC has the same goals as you: common ownership with workers democratic control, production for need, international socialism, party democracy etc etc. They condem old the bureacratic and totalitarian Soviet types regimes but you choose to ignore and instead pour out the old vitriol which gets you no-where and again is far too simplistic or wrong in many areas. Instead of trying so hard to find your differences with such organisations, you should work on finding commonalities and go from there. You have much to offer the socialist movement, especially your vision of socialism but your childish condemnation of such groups as TUSC or the Socialist Party (CWI) and ‘it’s my ideological ball, so I’m going home’ attitude is a historical and principled failure. 
Let’s try another approach. The Socialist Party (CWI) calls for a new mass, workers party to replace Labour which is now an avowedly capitalist party and in a similar, terminal position to that of the Liberals in the late nineteenth, early twentith cenury. It calls for a new democratic, federalist party of reformists, socialists, Marxists etc to replace Labour, with the goal of socialism. A broad church of people and groups against capitalism. A comradlely party where there would be a continual debate of ideas, especially over the Reform v   Revolution issue. A party of differing tendencies but a democratic one, just like the old SDF or even the old Labour Party, with the aim of socialism. Why not participate to put your ideas forward within such a federalist, democratic workers party? You could keep your own identity but be part of the socialist movement?