Please bear in mind that

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March 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm #87630
DJP
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Please bear in mind that anything we say about how a future society is speculation only, ultimately it will be up to the people at the time to decide how to organise things, not us in the socialist pre-history.

ladybug wrote:
 … I made the assumption (noted above) that the community would be involved in these decisions of how to allocate scarce resources. But I don’t think this would be possible because it would be too many meetings. So although no seperation between workplace and community is the ideal, I don’t think it can be met totally in every case, and some boundary will need to remain. But there definitely needs to be more community input/control in workplaces, such as for environmental standards, product health and safety, etc.

The thing is it is entirely possible to co-ordinate production without any meetings at all. In fact meetings are a very ineficiant way of organising things. In the age of electronic communications it only takes a few seconds to communicate ‘hey guys we are getting low on copper’ across the whole world. Productive units will be in constant comminication with each other and so can adjust production schedules as requirements change. 

ladybug wrote:
Plus I’m not convinced about SPGB’s electoral strategy. I don’t entirely dismiss it either, as I think it might be possible, but I put more faith in revolution.  

Perhaps then this is another area where we can change your thinking. What is a revolution? A total change in the material basis of society. This is what the socialist party seeks to bring about.Now what is socialism? A society in which the producers co-operativly and freely co-ordinate their labour for the good of all.Now can you have a socialist society before the majority want it and are willing to put it into practice? Can you force people to co-operate? I would seem to me that the answer is no.Therefore it is impossible to have a socilaist revolution until the majority support it.So with this in mind and considering “That as the machinery of government, including the armed forces of the nation, exists only to conserve the monopoly by the capitalist class” can you come up with a practical reason as to why a socialist majority should not use the democratic process to neutralise any possible counterattack from a pro-capitalist minority?