Reply To: Our chance to forswear allegiance
Thomas_More
Participant
” Primitive communism lasted longer than capitalism and it was replaced by a new mode of production.”
I’ll say it did! Over a MILLION years!
And i’ll also challenge Lizzie’s “power over nature” phrase, which is in line with the CONQUEST mode of thought with which the capitalists are now destroying the very planet. It’s also in line with the bourgeois hierarchical interpretation of evolution, which evolutionary scientists and cross-species ethologists have long since debunked, as did Darwin himself: even though many Marxists still espouse it.
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Some historians and anthropologists and paleontologists have indicated that probably it was a longer period, and the new discovery from out of Africa has indicated that human being is older than what we thought.
In the Middle East in a pre capitalist society, Christians, Jewish and Muslim lived together in harmony and peace for more than 900 years, and they practiced their own religion without any intolerances, therefore human being lived in a social production for thousands of years and the research made by Marx and Engels are correct in regard to the primitive society
During the XVIII workers used to say: their capitalism and our socialism, because they had more working class consciousness than the actual working class which has been totally influenced by the bourgeois ideology, probably, that particular situation forced Marx and Engels to over estimate the taking of class consciousness by the working class, they never thought that the world working class was going to support their own class enemies, and now they say: Our capitalism and our leaders
What you have mentioned was the justification of the Doctrine of discovery to conquer other territories, ethnics groups and natural resources, and the destruction of nature made by capitalism, but natives of the America who lived under a social production preserved and took care of nature, as a historian wrote: Two different societies confronted each other, and one violently destroyed one to conquer, and Engels wrote about the violence in old society, capitalism ( and the state ) imposed itself by violence, killing, Robbery and enormous accumulation of capital from the sweat of the working class, it was not a romantic process