Reply To: Russian Tensions
“It means forming a “socialist government”. For socialists, this is an oxymoron.”
You’re not a socialist and don’t speak for them. You’re a juvenile, pure as driven snowflake naval gazer and mutual masturbation society wastrel.
“Of course, we want to implement socialism, you fool.”
No, you don’t. You just want to snipe from the sidelines as real socialists get on with the hard work of implementing their ideas in the real world.
“But that is not the same thing as wanting to form a government.”
You know nothing and have achieved nothing. 300 members after a century of disrespecting socialists. Your pathetic record speaks for itself.
“Have you not read anything about what we stand for?”
You stand for nothing. And if your ridiculous ideas were ever implemented you’d die on your knees as the fascist reactionaries of the world delivered a bullet in to your smooth brain.
“The state is a class institution and it disappears along with class ownership in a socialist society”
The working class state is the only thing that can defend the working class from a capitalist state. The fact you are so brain dead as to not understand this is 97% of the reason that your “party” is an irrelevant side note of a joke.
“So then enlighten us. Where has a grassroots mass movement “happened” seeking to bring about a moneyless wageless classless and stateless alternative to capitalism – socialism – eh?”
In only about half the countries of the world. Lol
“Because without such evidence you are just pissing in the wind. Of course, we all know what you mean by “socialism”. You are talking about state-run capitalism”
Nope, that’s what reactionary, juvenile cosplaying Anarchists describe socialism as. Funny how their “model” has never worked anywhere ever. And never will.
“I am not sure which is these models you prefer but its got nothing to do with what actual socialists advocate”
Now who’s the one true Scotsman? Lol. You may be that. What you ain’t is a socialist.
“Rubbish. Do you seriously imagine you can have “socialism in one country” or that spread of socialist ideas could be contained within the borders of one country? Socialism is global in the same way that capitalism is. Other capitalist states will afflicted with the very same problem that afflicts the capitalist state you currently live under. A growing socialist movement represents a growing opposition to nationalism and capitalism´s wars that will make it increasingly difficult for capitalist states to wage war anywhere.”
Only if you ignore all modern history can you make a statement so divorced from reality. You really are a bunch of clowns.
“Jeezus . Unbelievable. You are a self-declared zealot for nationalism and now you are seemingly protesting against the idea of being labelled as such for some odd reason.”
Erm, no. The only zealot here is you. You’re an anti-socialist zealot.
“You are certainly not a socialist and your notion of a socialist society is in fact a (state) capitalist society.”
Yours is one made out of fairy dust, toddlers spittle and teenage urges. One that has not and never will see the light of day. Thank the Gods.
“Nationalism and the nation-state are the historical products of capitalism and will disappear with the establishment of a socialist society which can only be a global society.”
That you think will organise itself spontaneously without concerted and bloodthirsty opposition. Child, go play on the swing set. The adults are talking.
“Socialists dont defend something calls a nation state”
They do. Because without them the capitalists are assured victory. But you won’t mind because you’ll be dead with a fascist jackboot wearing what remains of your brains on it’s sole.
“If the Russian state is not fascist then neither is Ukraine given that both are pretty much the same in character.”
Except they’re not. In the fevered imagining of a Guardian Bro maybe. In the real world…Erm, no.
“There are fascists fighting for Ukraine but there are also fascists fighting for Russia.”
The Ukrainian state is literally fascist. The Russian state is not. Blather all you like otherwise, only neo-con morons and the dupes who get their news from them give a shit.
“Ergo this is not a way “against fascism”.”
Garbage in garbage out.
“Putin is just an opportunist who needs to drum up a pretext to wage a war and what better way to do that than present it as some kind of noble enterprise directed against the threat of fascism?”
The Ukrainian fascism written about in countless MSM news articles before the war? Figments of my imagination are they? Moron.
“Useful idiots like yourself uncritically regurgitate this bilge without question.”
Lol. Having a reality based view of the world makes one a useful idiot? This phrase “useful idiot” I don’t think it means what you think it means.
“This war is a war of rival capitalist interests and words like fascism are just ideologically-charged ways of inducing the populace into support their local capitalists.”
The fact you actually believe the crap you’re pedaling is a whole PHD thesis of its own.
“The Ukraine state does it too. It argues that Ukrainian workers need to support the resistance against the threat of Russian fascism. Many Ukrainians see Russia as a fascist state and I have been on several forums where such an opinion is widely held”
Simple minds succumb to propaganda. You’re living proof of that fact.
“Socialists dont support either side in this capitalist war.”
This isn’t a capitalist war.
“It takes two to tango. Russia invaded Ukraine, in this case, not the other way round. That is aggression however you want to dress it up.”
No, Russia intervened in an ongoing civil war to put an end to fascist oppression.
“But then Ukraine is not blameless either nor for that is NATO and the West.”
About the only half reasonable thing you’ve ever written. Even a broken clock right?
“Yes but it didn’t defeat or eliminate fascist ideology per se did it?”
So what? The holocaust was ended along with the slaughter of WW2. You know, actual real world consequences?
“That´s the whole point that you blissfully ignore.”
Except for, you know, the actual real world consequences.
“You claimed that fascism could be defeated by military means which is a load of bollocks”
Erm, WW2, ended, no? Dullard.
“and must be by your very own logic since according to you, Ukraine and NATOSTAN today are fascists.”
Yep.
“Once again – you cannot kill an idea by killing those who espouse it.”
Actually, you can. But I’d be more than happy with a simple military defeat of the fascist army and the overthrow of the regime.
“Ideas spring from historical circumstances. Fascism is the expression of ultra-nationalism. If you want to kill off fascism choke it off by attacking the putrid ideology of nationalism that fascism feed off”
Meanwhile, in the real world, you have to stop the fascist artillery, infantry, airforce and navy.
“LOL LOL LOL. Even from the standpoint of your own dumb logic, this makes no sense. For it to make sense in your terms would require Russian imperialism to successfully conquer and annex the whole of Ukraine.”
Russia is not imperialist. But yes, the whole of Ukraine may need to be conquered. Russia had the means and will to do so.
“That’s not gonna happen, sunshine. (How long has the fighting been going on in Bakhmut BTW?)”
Oh, you’ve a crystal ball. Next week’s lotto numbers?
“In the meanwhile can you imagine the depth of hatred towards all things Russian that is building up in Ukraine?”
The Germans got over losing did they not?
“If anything Putin´s stupid blunder is feeding the growth of “fascism” not eliminating it.”
Fighting fascist oppression is never a blunder, it’s a duty.
“He is no better than the Western imperialists who helped to orchestrate the Maidan takeover”
Lol. Fighting against fascists is the same as installing them now is it? And up is down, black is white and the SPGB is a “party”. Lol
“The sooner this stupid war ends the better”
Fighting fascism is not stupid. Unless you want to be ruled over by fascists. Something you’ll never lift a finger to prevent. Joker.
