Reply To: Russian Tensions
You have to despair at the sheer inanity of this feeble attempt to justify the continuation of capitalism and its core institution, the nation-state. Having agreed with the principle that “The working men have no country” TS continues: ” as long as nation-states exist the only means of protecting oneself from the predations of other states is to have one of your own”. Who is the “your” in your sentence TS???
“It cannot be the workers you have in mind if you seriously agree with the socialist claim that “workers have no country”.”
In case you hadn’t noticed I don’t seriously agree with the claim. Nation states are a necessary evil. The Palestinians have no nation state and look at them. Torn asunder by the wolves. Ask the Somalis what it’s like having no state. Socialists can and do have states. Where you got the idea that states must be capitalist I’ve no idea. But then again nothing you say makes much sense. Your thinking is as convoluted and confused as all the other blockheads in your little gaggle of a “party”.
“It is not us you are addressing but one group of capitalists vis a vis another.”
Lol. I don’t think any members of the capitalist class are dropping in on this thread.
“And that has been clear as daylight all along. You support one capitalist regime vis a vis another”
I support the right to self defence against imperialist aggression. Something beyond the ken of a coward of your ilk.
“and therefore the indefinite continuation of capitalism itself.”
Lol, that’s quite the leap of logic you’ve made there. Hate to rain on your parade but supporting the right of self defence has no bearing whatsoever on capitalism.
“The very (il)logic of your own argument commits you to indefinitely resisting socialism as an alternative to capitalism”
Erm, no. That you’ve got that covered with your endless, yawn inducing tirades against actually existing socialists and socialism.
“since according to you “As long as nation states exist” you will continue to need to support the nation-state and hence capitalism”
I never said that last part so no, not according to me. That would be according to you. So give credit where it’s due.
“In other words a self-fulfilling prophecy!”
You mean in your words.
“Instead of sneering at what you characterise as the “infantilism” of the socialist position”
The infantilism of your interpretation of the socialist position. Plenty of socialists believe in the state.
“it is in fact the ONLY mature and logical way out of the impasse of endless capitalist warmongering that your position commits you to”
Whatevs. Lol