In reference to some of the

In reference to some of the things the DJP has stated above:I have been working a medium sized “kitchen garden” and started with no capital. The tools existed prior to my moving in to the house, seeds, knowledge and everyother aspect has been donated from friends or family’s old tools etc and I have made considerable use out of all of these. I live on a farm and agree with what you say regarding the farm operation. This farm also works with a basic hand of the farmer and his son with a significant help from myself and others that live on the land. To start some kind of massive “revolutionary” gardening spree would yes, cause a need to have massive stocks of everything in abundance to achieve any kind of success. However, what I have stated is something to start from small with an aim to work up to a series of small groups doing the same later which, then naturally grow according to use and numbers involved with the culmination of further groups farer afield that can then link to prioritise, store and facilitate a range of seed production, plant propagation and so on.Land may also not be “free” however, it can be freely made available. All is needed is for the right people to say “yes”. I fully agree that only a small amount of people could be sustained at any small level. And that is the point, if people want to do it, are motivated enough, can identify problems and overcome them successfully, work together and the rest then something can be achieved.I also agree with, “If people get exposed to socialist ideas by getting involved in a socialist agriculture club then that can only be a good thing. But the same could be said of a socialist cycling club, a socialist rambling association or here’s a thought, a socialist discussion group that discusses socialism.”And quite right so: why not have a socialist cycling club, rambling association and more of the socialist discussion groups. There’s no issue with that at all and can only be a good thing indeed.While there may be restrictions associated with working such an idea within capitalism, this only lends more to the point in case. If people can achieve “this much” within capitalism, imagine what we can achieve without the need to bother with money. I’m not saying create a model for socialism, or a model of socialism, I’m saying show people what they can do now to help eachother to live without the need to generate profit and extrapolate it into the future, match it with the other areas of life: energy, sheter etc and you’ve opened up socialism to a bunch of practically minded, motivated and “enlightened” people that you otherwise may well not have.At the same time, get a cycling club and a rambling association and we can spread the socialist literature around the country quicker and in places that the even the internet cannot reach.