Socialism: Utopian and Scientific (1880) by Friedrich Engels

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    LBird
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    Young Master Smeet wrote:
    LBird,let's try the question another way: how will we decide how to vote?

    YMS,let's try the answer is the same old way: by social theory and practice. I'm not sure why you've joined the thread, YMS. Surely you know my answers, by now?After all, I know your questions intimately, like a tired old pair of slippers.There's no way forward if you keep asking the same questions, only to receive the same answers.If you're not interested in epistemology, what's the point?If you don't want answers in terms of subject/object/ knowledge relationships, why bother?If you already know that you're not a democrat in science, and have a 'special affinity with matter', why are you interested in my thoughts?

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    Young Master Smeet
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    Well, it just occurred to me that "Social theory and practice" is sufficient epistemologically to let people decide how to vote, then the vote is unecessary empistemologically.  All the vote would reveal is what people think.  So, by all means, we can vote on the peturbation of Venus to three decimal places, but we don't need to.  Also, bang goes Consensus Gentium: Social Theory and Practice determines what we know.  What we think and do.  That's fine by me.

    #105322

    LBird
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    I just wonder why you bother to ask me anything, YMS!You're not really asking for help to understand epistemology, are you?You've got your own answers, and you're satisfied with them. That's OK by me.

    #105323

    Young Master Smeet
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    I wasn't really askign anything.  I was just demonstyrating to you, again, where you're going wrong.  Voting doesn't produce truth, being and doing does. Hopefully you'll stop misleading workers now.

    #105324

    LBird
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    Young Master Smeet wrote:
    I wasn't really askign anything.  I was just demonstyrating to you, again, where you're going wrong.  Voting doesn't produce truth, being and doing does. Hopefully you'll stop misleading workers now.

    Righto, I've got that, YMS!'Being and doing', eh? Makes you wonder why 'being a child and doing a number two on the potty', hasn't caught on yet in the universities, as an explanation for producing 'truth', rather than 'shit'.Well, we heard it first here, on the SPGB site!Thanks, YMS!

    #105325

    Young Master Smeet
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    Actually, I believe George Bataille's philosophy does begin with that very premise (with a nod, IIRC, to Freud)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Bataille#Base_materialismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Accursed_Share

    #105326

    LBird
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    YMSs link wrote:
    Bataille drew from diverse influences and used various modes of discourse to create his work. His novel Story of the Eye (Histoire de l'oeil), published under the pseudonym Lord Auch (literally, Lord "to the shithouse" — "auch" being short for "aux chiottes," slang for telling somebody off by sending him to the toilet)…
    #105327

    JamesH81
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    Reading now, I have lots of Green oriented books to return library and find more with SPGB theme: Frederick Engels Socialism: Utopian and Scientificwww.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htmOn: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch01.htm

    #105328

    ALB
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    Sounds as if you should read our pamphlet Ecology and Socialism and our longer, more general one The Market System Must Go: Why Reformism Doesn't Work which can be read on this site:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlets/ecology-and-socialismhttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlets/market-system-must-goAnd these two books which can be ordered online::http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/catalog/books/socialism-or-your-money-backhttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/catalog/non-party-publications/alternative-capitalism

    #105329

    JamesH81
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    Yes I payed £20 and ordered all the SPGB pamphlets and books ! :-) ! …. ! :-) :-) :-) !

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