June 3, 2016 at 10:25 pm #84856
Minutes of North East Regional Branch Meeting to be held between 22nd April and 25thApril 2016
Present: S. Colborne, S Davidson, E Colborn, T Kilgallon, J Davidson, V Marratty, L Marratty
1.Election of chair. S. Colborn Elected as Chair
2.Amendment/adoption of previous minutes. Minutes of previous meeting agreed
3.Matters arising from previous minutes
Cde Colborn informed the branch that Cde V Marratty had emailed him to inform the branch that he had resigned from the post of Secretary
4.Forms A and F
The following motion was passed vote 4 for 1 abstain
“"This branch would be grateful if the EC could explain and clarify the reasons why they have sought to appoint a member to a sub committee when they had been made aware of branch nominations to that committee. This branch is of the opinion that this appears to be a clear breach of Rule 17 whch states: "Names shall be called for, subject to the Executive Committee being authorised to appoint members directly to these sub-Committees if no nominations are received".
6. At this point standing orders were suspended and discussion took place with regards to email correspondence between two members of the branch (see forum for full details)
During these discussions Cdes Vincent and Linda Marratty asked the branch to accept their resignation from the party. 4 members voted to accept the Forms F (L Marratty, V Marratty, S Davidson, J Davidson, 2 members abstained, (S Colborn, E Colborn) & 1 member voted against (T Kilgallon)
T Kilgallon then offered to take over the role of temporary Branch Secretary
At this point Cde Colborn Resigned the chair and the meeting descended into disorder.June 3, 2016 at 10:28 pm #120034
This is the best I could do in making sense of the last on line branch meeting of the NERB. If anyone wants to have further details of the meeting, I suggest you read through the online transcript themselves.June 4, 2016 at 9:59 am #120035northern lightParticipant
Thanks for that, Tim. One small correction needed. S.Davison missed voting on the Form F's. So it should read, 3 for, 2 abstained and 1 against.June 4, 2016 at 10:11 am #120036
Hi JoeI'm happy to amend, I have kept the minutes brief, as it is all there on line to see if required. The minutes as they stand have gone off to the EC, along with information requested by them re the twitter account, stating that it is not operated by the NERB, but is operated by Vin Marratty, who resigned from the party at the last branch meeting, although the information placed on the account by Vin makes this perfectly clear.June 4, 2016 at 10:12 am #120037
Minutes of North East Branch – April 2016 (as amended)Minutes of North East Regional Branch Meeting to be held between 22nd April and 25thApril 2016Present: S. Colborne, S Davidson, E Colborn, T Kilgallon, J Davidson, V Marratty, L MarrattyVisitors:None1.Election of chair. S. Colborn Elected as Chair2.Amendment/adoption of previous minutes. Minutes of previous meeting agreed3.Matters arising from previous minutesCde Colborn informed the branch that Cde V Marratty had emailed him to inform the branch that he had resigned from the post of Secretary4.Forms A and F None5.EC minutesThe following motion was passed vote 4 for 1 abstain “"This branch would be grateful if the EC could explain and clarify the reasons why they have sought to appoint a member to a sub committee when they had been made aware of branch nominations to that committee. This branch is of the opinion that this appears to be a clear breach of Rule 17 whch states: "Names shall be called for, subject to the Executive Committee being authorised to appoint members directly to these sub-Committees if no nominations are received".6. At this point standing orders were suspended and discussion took place with regards to email correspondence between two members of the branch (see forum for full details)During these discussions Cdes Vincent and Linda Marratty asked the branch to accept their resignation from the party. 3 members voted to accept the Forms F (L Marratty, V Marratty, J Davidson, 2 members abstained, (S Colborn, E Colborn), 1 member voted against (T Kilgallon) and 1 member, present at the meeting, did not vote (S. Davidson)T Kilgallon then offered to take over the role of temporary Branch SecretaryAt this point Cde Colborn Resigned the chair and the meeting descended into disorder.June 4, 2016 at 10:23 am #120038northern lightParticipant
Tim, you have handled the minutes well, as far as I can see (and I read all 32 pages in the wee small hours.).Not much business, but lots of maneuveringJune 6, 2016 at 5:36 pm #120039northern light wrote:Not much business, but lots of maneuvering
"To be fair 'next business' was requested a few times by me and if there was maneuvering it was to keep the meeting on one subject.It is usual practice to request resigning members to reconsider resignations"Did a good job, Tim, on a difficult task vinJune 25, 2016 at 11:19 pm #120040Quote:(f) vi (b) Audio Visual Committee – Arising from item 2(j) Motions 9 & 10 of May EC meeting. In his statement on the agenda, Cde Vin Maratty referred to a thread on the Party website forum which discusses his videos which have been uploaded to Youtube.A discussion occurred at the EC regarding the videos. It was agreed that these were good but Cox expressed concern that images of capitalist society at the start could be interpreted as being scenes of a socialist society by people who do not understand the SPGB case.Skelly said that putting a video on YouTube is not the way to show it to the EC for approval as the video has been placed in the public domain. Notice of Motion for July:That all members be reminded that in accordance with Rule 17, any publications except leaflets and hand bills are to be authorised by the EC prior to publication(including on public websites such as YouTube) and be requested not to publish in advance of such authorisation any items which may be reasonably construed as published by SPGB. (Cox/Browne). Vin Maratty’s statement was noted in light of report from NERB. E-mails from Tim Kilgallon and Stephen stating that the Twitter account is not run by NERB. Vin Maratty has placed a disclaimer on the site to make it clear that it is not an official SPGB site..Tim Kilgallon’s comments (in his role as temporary NERB secretary) regarding the resignation of Vin Marraty from SPGB were noted.
The above is taken from the June EC minutes from SPintcom. I'm interested in the last sentence I've highlighted in bold, but have posted the entire section to place it into context. I'm confused as to the fact that the resignation of Vin is mentioned in the section I've posted, yet the two form F's that were accepted by the branch at it's April online meeting, never turned up at the June EC?Tim, would you be able to explain as to how the EC was able to note comments from yourself (as acting branch secretary) regarding Vin's resignation at the June EC meeting, yet did not have the form F's themselves? It would also be appreciated if the comments, regarding the resignations, could be made available to the branch? Cheers,Stephen(not the Stephen mentioned in the quoted EC minutes above)July 4, 2016 at 3:05 pm #120041
Hi StephenSorry for my late reply, been up to my neck in work and haven't had time to check the boards, and had missed this post. I appreciate that the way the minute from the EC is written implies some kind of comment from me, however I have not spoken to any member about Vin's resignation and have not emailed anyone about his resignation either.To be honest I do not know any EC members to speak to, do not have their numbers, email addresses and I haven't PMd them on here either. As far as I can recall, and I have also trawlled my email account, other than the creating the NERB minutes and the communicating the fact that I acknowledged that I would take over as temporary secretary, the only contact I have had is to say that for work reasons I did not want my name and address in the back of the standard (that was in email to Adam Buick).Can I suggest we put a motion to the EC asking for clarification, I for one would be interested to find out what I have supposedly commented on.With regards to a branch meeting , my apologies that I have not had time to organise this (OFSTED made a surprise visit to my work!!!!). I am in the process of getting dates etc together and will message the branch members to attempt to find a common time that suits members.YFSTimJuly 4, 2016 at 3:25 pm #120042
Hi StephenI think I may have found the comment referred to. It was in an email I sent to Adam Buick. It was with regard to the question of were matters agreed to at the branch only to actioned once the following branch meeting had ratified the minutes. if you will recall at that time there was some question as to who was acting as branch secretary, myself or Vin. The comment I made (in a private email by the way, as at that time I had not taken on the role of Branch Secretary) was as follows:""As far as I am concerned, Vin had sent in his resignation to the Branch before/during the last on line meeting (you can check the proceedings yourself, if your stomach is strong enough). As far as I am aware he has not withdrawn his resignation, nor has he withdrawn his Form F. I think the idea that nothing that is decided in the branch until the previous minutes have been adopted is plainly ridiculous, it would mean that we have a one month wait for every decision to be ratified before being actioned."This is in line with comments I made on line about the idea that we have to wait a month to ratify decisions and I hope the line I took is one which you agree with and one which you agree is in line with Party processes and procedures.With regard to the Form F not being sent to the EC, I hold my hands up to that one, I didn't think that the branch would have to actually physically send in a form F and that as it was mentioned in our minutes it would be actioned. I will speak to Oliver and find out what I need to send to them. YFS TimJuly 5, 2016 at 12:17 am #120043
Hi Tim,There's no need to bother Oliver, as I can tell you what you need here and now.You need to fill in two Form F's and get them in to HO for the next EC meeting to be held in August. There will be two ways of getting the Form F's. The quickest would be to log on to SPintcom and click on the "Files" section and look for the section called "Forms", and if you have the ability to edit a pdf document you can download them and get them emailed to HO. The other way would be to email Oliver to request a couple of physical copies, to be filled in by you and sent back via "snail mail".  Another way would be to print of a couple of copies and send them in "snail mail" style.Regarding the two Form F's that are now two months overdue. You say you didn't think you would need to take any action yourself in sending them to the EC, as you expected Vin and Linda's resignations to get to the EC?Several months ago there was a discussion on the forum regarding the EC not getting to know everything that gets said on the forum, that you yourself took part in.Anyway, I recall on the 18th May, you posted a message, on a PM branch thread set up to organise a branch meeting, saying in your capacity as acting branch secretary, you would action any matters arising from the April meeting. I even replied to remind you about sending the two Form F's to the EC, to which you replied in the affirmative.As the EC will only act on instructions, requests etc that actually arrive in front of them, it would seem the motion mentioned in the minutes of the April meeting will also need sending to the EC. Cheers,StephenJuly 5, 2016 at 12:34 am #120044moderator1Participant
Alternatively, ask Oliver or the HOO, via email, to send the forms as an attachment in an email. Which would be my preference.July 5, 2016 at 10:16 pm #120045
It's a shame that such passion could not be shown in attracting members as is used to getting rid of them. What is the panic, I wonder? And where is the objectivity of moderation? If it ever existed CheersLinda and VinJuly 5, 2016 at 11:13 pm #120046moderator1 wrote:Alternatively, ask Oliver or the HOO, via email, to send the forms as an attachment in an email. Which would be my preference.
No surprise thereJuly 7, 2016 at 2:51 pm #120047
Tim,Due to the unintentional delay in acting on democratic branch decisions taken during the April meeting, would it be possible to keep the branch informed as to when the resolution and the two Form F's have been sent to HO, for the attention of the EC? Cheers,Stephen
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