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  • #194074
    Anonymous
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    https://www.iamat.org/country/haiti/risk/dengue

    This is a big epidemic in Haiti and the Dominican Republic and all rivers have been polluted by Canadian and USA mining companies,  and this disease is transmitted by mosquitoes

    #194075
    robbo203
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    The comments section makes for interesting reading including this one for the statistical geeks

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/opinions-i-have-the-coronavirus-so-far-it-isnt-that-bad/ar-BB10yKyg?ocid=spartanntp

     

    “All these prophets of doom saying it is a pandemic, there have been about 1200
    deaths so far and the population is 7.7million. That is 0.0064166666666667%.
    “We estimated an average of 389 000 (uncertainty range 294 000-518 000) respiratory deaths were associated with influenza globally each year during the study period, corresponding to ~ 2% of all annual respiratory deaths. Of these, 67% were among people 65 years and older”
    Recent University of Edinburgh study.
    By all means take precautions but no need to panic yet.”

    #194076
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Not all bad news. China’s pollution levels drop.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51691967

    #194099
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    More than 15,000 peoples in Paraguay have been inflected with Dengue and 34 have died already. Those diseases are only popular and are a world threat  when they come from China or Iran

    #194100
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The USA is not prepared to handle the Coronavirus, and they can not build a hospital in a few days like it was done in China, and the person assigned for this task does not know anything about Medicine and infectious diseases, he is just a religious fanatic,  probably, they would be forced to take money from the military budget like Trump did for the Mexican wall, or to make another overdraft from the state checking account. After 50 years of Chinese capitalist development, many peoples have discovered that the USA is completely dependent on Chinese industrial production including medications, and medical supplies

    #194313
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster
    #194546
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Preparing for the Apocalypse – the first Horseman on his white horse  is called Pestilence.

    Matt Hancock said: “We are working with the supermarkets to make sure that, if people are self-isolating, then we will be able to get the food and supplies that they need.”
    But supermarket sources said they had not discussed getting food to homes.
    One executive said he was “baffled” by the suggestions.
    An executive told BBC business editor Simon Jack: “Matt Hancock has totally made up what he said about working with supermarkets. We haven’t heard anything from government directly.”
    He added that sales of cupboard basics such as pasta and tinned goods have “gone through the roof”. There was no suggestion that there were food shortages, but people bringing forward some purchases was creating logistical challenges, he said.

    The executive added: “While I think people don’t need to panic buy and should just shop normally, I’m not sure the government can guarantee all food supply in all instances.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51769184

    #194554
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Yes, there is something in common between being doomed by this virus and being doomed by global warming. It’s the concept of a “reasonable worst case scenario” as something that has some slight chance of happening but probably won’t.

    I don’t know why the government has mentioned the remote possibility of 80 percent of the population getting it and a million dying. This was bound to frighten some people and lead to panic buying.

    We’ll see but won’t have to wait till 2100 to find out if it was necessary to scare people by invoking a “reasonable worst case scenario”.

    #194569
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    With a survival rate of 98% there is no cause for alarmism. Those dying are the same people who get serious complications from ordinary flu.

    Marcos has often pointed out the mortality of various preventable social illnesses such as TB are producing higher death tolls.

    Here is  PRE-coronavirus press story

    Deadly flu outbreak could spread in 36 hours and kill 80,000,000 people, experts warn

    But there is a link between disease and global warming. Various nasty bugs are migrating as the weather warms to places previously unaccustomed to them.

    But the silver lining is that the downturn in the economies of the world because of coronavirus means a drop in carbon emissions. They say GHG is down a quarter in China.

    And another point to ponder is how we can have such a global shift in government policies such as shutting down public gatherings etc yet the climate crises does not warrant such an emergency response when air pollution kills millions is ignored. No matter how Greta criticised air travel, there was not much of an impact, but coronavirus has made a airline bankrupt with others soon to follow.

    As long as you don’t have a cough or a sneeze, a great time to travel with plane ticket prices dropping and no crowds at plenty of the tourist spots.

     

    #194591
    Anonymous
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    https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/27/world/africa/madagascar-locusts/index.html

    Due to climate destruction, in some countries around the world, specially Africa, there is a big pandemic of locust infestation which is destroying agriculture and there is going to be a big shortage of foods and it is going to produce hunger, poverty, and diseases. The press is not saying anything about it, because this is a pandemic produced by capitalism. If some of these journalists ( which I call cardboard reader ) want to see a real pandemic they should go to Haiti where thousands of children are infected with Dengue, and they do not have any medications and hospital available

    #194756
    robbo203
    Participant

    With a survival rate of 98% there is no cause for alarmism. Those dying are the same people who get serious complications from ordinary flu.

     

    This is true enough Alan (although I believe the survival rate is slightly lower than this in actuality – more like 96.5% according to more recent data).  However,  what is most concerning is the response to the spread of the Coronavirus and its manifold social and economic repercussions, rather than the number of deaths it causes . The 1918 flu pandemic claimed at least 50 million lives, or 2.5 per cent of the global population, according to current estimates; the coronavirus to date has claimed just under 4000 lives though this will change significantly over the coming weeks and months.

     

    With just over 100,000 cases worldwide we have already seen quite drastic actions being taken by governments – the latest being the Italian government – clamping down on freedom of movement and assembly.   Fear of the virus has caused a spike in incidence of racism domestically and calls for much stronger border controls

     

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-news-live-italy-death-toll-leaps-past-360-with-millions-quarantined-as-uk-prepares-emergency-laws-to-fight-infections/ar-BB10U1XA?ocid=spartanntp

     

    We are only at the start of something that is going to get much much worse in time. We can expect an almost exponential increase in the number of cases globally and we need to be prepared for what might well follow. Almost certainly its going exacerbate downward economic trends and trigger a global recession of huge proportions, in my view, surpassing that of 2008

     

    For people here who want to keep track of this development can I recommend this website

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

     

     

    #194757
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    This  virus is another pretext for government to suppress peoples, to discriminate against colored peoples and Asian and to continue eliminating certain bourgeois civil rights

    #194760
    robbo203
    Participant

    Just a clarification on the mortality rate of coronavirus…

     

    “3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the World Health Organization (WHO) as of March 3

    In his opening remarks at the March 3 media briefing on Covid-19, WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus stated:
    “Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.” [13]

    Initial estimate was 2%

    Initially, the World Health Organization (WHO) had mentioned 2% as a mortality rate estimate in a press conference on Wednesday, January 29 [1][2] and again on February 10. However, on January 29 WHO specified that this was a very early and provisional estimate that might have changed. Surveillance was increasing, within China but also globally, but at the time it was said that t:
    We don’t know how many were infected (“When you look at how many people have died, you need to look at how many people where infected, and right now we don’t know that number. So it is early to put a percentage on that.”[1][2]).
    The only number currently known is how many people have died out of those who have been reported to the WHO.
    It is therefore very early to make any conclusive statements about what the overall mortality rate will be for the novel coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization”

     

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#who-03-03-20

     

    If a 3.4% mortality rate was applied uniformly to the current world population of 7 billion this would result in a death toll of nearly 240 million,  about 5 times the size of the toll from the influenza pandemic of 1918.   Of course that is making all sorts of assumptions that may not hold

    #194766
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Of course, we have the flu vaccination which is annually adjusted to meet the regular mutation of the flu virus and that reduced the mortality rate to 1%. What it would be without that, I have no idea.

    The vaccination for Covid-19 is still some years off.

    The economic impact of quarantined populations will as always hurt the poor more such as the Uber workers not covered by any paid sick-leave.

    We now see panic buying in the UK where Tesco, Boots and Waitrose announcing it will ration certain purchases.

    These are not any of the health consequences of Covid-19 but the result of capitalism.

    Just how would a socialist society handle an outbreak of a new contagious disease would make a good article for someone to write.

    #194795
    robbo203
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