Agenda for August 2015 meeting

August 2022 Forums Regional Branches North East Agenda for August 2015 meeting

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  • #113763
    steve colborn
    Participant

    been looking at the front pages of the Standard. Whilst not agreeing with the overall stance of Corbyn, what we cannot say, is that he has failed to energize people about politics, he has.If only we could concieve of a way to tap into the interest he has generated. Granted, hes not a Socialist and his mantra of nationalise this, nationalise that has, as the front page of this months Standard points out, in a roundabout way, been tried and failed but he has pushed the door ajar and we need to find a way to push it all the way open.

    #113764
    northern light
    Participant

    Hi Guiseppe, Vin, Steve

    #113765
    northern light
    Participant

    This subject is being addressed on the main Forum,

    #113766
    steve colborn
    Participant

    I agree with Vin's train of thought.This months Standard front cover is overly proscriptive of Corbyn. Like Brand before him, we appear intent on putting the boot into people who, whilst not being Socialists, have clear water between their ideas and that of the Tories. Ideas, that if we could connect with those whom Corbyn and Brand amongst others, have energized into considering alternatives, we could place our unique and distinct ideas before this, wider, audience!

    #113767
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Corbyn is against the old syle nationalistion he says Tories support it, but that is not my main point. It is the impression. Our publication is repeating the tory press. And all the response I get from members is 'well its the truth'But it is also true that the Tories are murdering working class people on benefits. That is also true?

    #113768
    Giuseppe-Joe
    Participant

    It's a question of starting where people are rather than where they wish them to be.Unfortunately I 'd hazard a guess that the majority of the proletariat don't appreciate the nuanced arguments advanced by the SPGB.By  attacking Corbyn there is danger of giving comfort to the enemy and prompting the question 'with friends like you who needs enemies.' He is neither a saviour nor the anti christ. What he is advancing are social democratic solutions that could have come out of the mouths of Harold Wilson or James Callaghan. However, Neo liberalism has dominated dominant discourse to such an extent that anything that runs counter to 'austerity' is deemed immediately beyond the pale. What Corbyn has down is to open up a public space that enables alternatives(including those put forward by' impossiblists' such as ourselves)to be discussed. It's not the end but the beginning of the end of the beginning(my apologies to that arch enemy of the working class Winston Churchill). We should , by all means, indicate the limitations of Corbyn's philosophy but not give comfort to our enemies. Gentle persuasion rather than 'in your face' tends to be more productive. To be put it bluntly, Corbyn is the lesser evil.The present alternative that smacks of a grind philosophy epitomised by Dunca Smith is not something we should be associated with, albeit by default. Hope this majkes sense.Feel free to critique.

    #113769
    Giuseppe-Joe
    Participant

    I apologise for the typos.Having a dyslexia moment!

    #113770
    northern light
    Participant

    Vin, I can't see anything wrong with what you say

    #113771
    northern light
    Participant

    It is evident that every time Blair opens his mouth, Corbyn's support goes up.Alot of people are rejecting the "new labour" aproach and the politicians are not listening. Labour is no more than an affiliation of the tory party..

    #113772
    northern light
    Participant

    The average man and woman in the street is tired of "rip off britain," with rising utility bills, transport costs fuel costs, the slow privitisation of the N.H.S., austerity, crooked bankers, corrupt politicians, etc., etc.Corbyn is the only potential leader who is willing to adress these problems.

    #113773
    northern light
    Participant

    If I was not a member of the SPGB, I might have thrown my cap with Corbyn.The downside is, when Corbynism is destroyed, as it surely will, the capitilist press will use this as another example of failed socialism

    #113774
    steve colborn
    Participant

    When will we, as a Party, stop limiting our audience? Every time someone such as Brand, Corbyn (who will be the next), comes along, we trip over ourselves to alienate those who look at alternative ideas and say "hey, thats fresh thinking".We should be in the Van saying, "if you think thats fresh thinking, what about this?" A world without boundaries, withAre we asout class distinction and all that  that entails. Where the world and everything in and on it, belongs to us all, in common.Would'nt it be nice where food is produced to eat, houses to live in ETC ETC ETC.This is the approach we should take. Instead of spending the vast majority of our energies, saying what we disagree with Corbyn, and Brand about. Are we ashamed of our ideas or what?

    #113775
    northern light
    Participant

    The comrades present at this branch meeting would seem to be of one mind, but what can we do, any suggestions?

    #113776
    steve colborn
    Participant

    Hi Joe. What we could do, for starters, is try and organise a meeting between us and the member of the Green Party, with whom we had a chat, after the election meeting

    #113777
    northern light
    Participant

    Well, yes, that's been on the cards for a while. I was thinking more on the lines of how we might sound out the SPGB membership.Possibly write a letter to all branches for consideration ( you being our best letter writer would get lumped with this one)regarding how we as a Party, deals with opportunities like this

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