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Who cares? Laws and Rules, necessary in capitalism just won't apply in free access commonly owned production for use post-capitalist socialist society.
er, I don't remember marx saying laws and rules won't be necessary. Can you tell me which branch of socialism agrees with that statement and which ones don't. Is that engels who says rules and laws won't be necesary, and if you have a link to the quote then I'll take my time to read it. but mostly form what I've read so far, these early thinkers about socialism didn't have these concerns or thoughts and never solved some of the problems I will mention below. So just a link to the complete words of marx isn't very usefull to me because I don't have the time to read it even though it's free and not owned by anyone. If you send me a link to a specefic part or a specefic crique of socialism that supports your claim, then that would be usable by me. Also, some of the laws and rules I mentioned are not "laws and rules" as you understand them, IMO. I'm including natural laws in this like the natural law or rule that says you can't drive the same tractor over two different fields at the same time. That rule comes from physics and I expect it to operate the same under capitalism or socialism which must both follow the rules of physics. Other rules are economical or ergonomic in nature, like you can't pick twice as many apples in an hour using the same picking technology and pickers. There's a lot of information science type rules about voting when you have the requirment for socialism that EVERYTHING can be voted on by anyone at any time. The information science rule on that topic is that you only have a certain amount of attention and time to read things and vote on them, so can't feasibly vote on every single topic in the world and will have to manage your time to vote on the ones most relevant to yourself. Unless you're arguing socialism will have people with an infinitite ability to vote on millions of topics in a single hour, then you have an unsolved problem in socialism that needs something more to solve it than just socialism. I'm interested in exploring what those other somethigns need to be. If I agree that there are no laws or rules in socialism, then what about pdf's? are there no PDF in socialism? I've heard the argument that socialism requires capitalism to produce the means of abundance? if you agree with that then lets look at the PDF vs google doc and see which one produces the means of abundance better?