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Could the full names in the minutes above be changed to initials please?

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jondwhite wrote:

Could the full names in the minutes above be changed to initials please?

 

Why?  Does your name appear anywhere in them?

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I'll take that to be a 'No' then........indecision

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I think perhaps it maybe taken as frustration. Adam has raised this issue, I have raised this issue and now John has raised this issue.

Attending a meeting, open to the public it may be, does not imply consent to have personal details such as full names published in minutes on the internet on an open forum. It is also unusual anway as most minutes I have read and written, during meetings in both professional and personal/hobby groups have nearly always merely recorded initials.

I do think it is something we need to think about seriously as we work hard at encouraging attendance at meetings and events but if people are aware their names are to be recorded and published maybe off-putting to some and an actual bar to attending for others. We should not dismiss out of hand or underestimate the social pressures people are under on a day to day basis.

Perhaps it is appropriate that the EC publishes guidance for Branch Secretaries on such matters so we are all adhereing to the same principles and practices.

Other members views please......

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SussexSocialist wrote:

I think perhaps it maybe taken as frustration. Adam has raised this issue, I have raised this issue and now John has raised this issue.

 

So three people have "raised this issue" - so what?   At the March meeting of Kent & Sussex this issue was discussed by the four members present and none of them had the slightest objection to their full names being published.  A further three absent members who are fully aware of the practice have not become exercised either.  That's "the tyranny of the majority" as somebody once described democracy.  But as one member aptly put it:-

"We're revolutionaries; what have we got to hide?  We've nothing to lose but our chains.........and our anonymity!"

This really has become something of a hobby-horse in relation to K&SRB and yet two other branches also publish their minutes online complete with full names of those present and those apologising for their absence.  Not heard any objection from you or the others though.  Neither also about the EC minutes, published online with full names of those present and absent and again when divisions are called.  Nor too are there any qualms about Conference or ADM minutes containing full names of those contributing to the discussion.

I'll say it again - for the final time; those in K&SRB who object to their names being published in full are free to be referred to by their initials only.  Only one member has thus far elected this option but paradoxically that same person has no problem with their full name appearing at the foot of Socialist Standard articles.........

SussexSocialist (not verified)

Please try and be more tolerant and less abrasive in your replies......I am only offering an opinion, it's not personal although it comes across as you taking it so.

Maybe others haven't objected, I don't know. All I am saying is that for some, having their names put out in meetings and minutes on a publicly accessable forum is something they may find uncomfortable, that's all.

I have mentioned it here purely because that's where the discussion is, it is not in particular relation to the K&SB, but a Party wide issue - perhaps it deserves it's own thread instead?

I don't think it is a massive deal, but I do think it is a valid point and perhaps something that could be off-putting for some people. As the name of the game is trying to attract people into the fold, why start by taking a course of action that instantly makes people wary of us in the first place?

If I went along out of interest to any meeting about anything, I don't think I would be comfortable about my name being taken and then placed in the public domain, it just feels uncomfortable and I am sure others would agree, not nessecarily those already attending.

I don't mind my name appearing in the Standard or internal documents or Party literature etc., as generally one would assume this is being accessed by those  of an interested and sympathetic nature. However, I am more concerned about it appearing in this context which is accessible by all and searchable by Google far more readily than other internet pages based on my name alone.

As I said, it's not a big deal, but it could be and could put people off. And given the fact that we struggle like hell to attract members as it is, is it worth the argument?

Are other comrades reading this thread - what are your opinions then?

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SussexSocialist wrote:

Please try and be more tolerant and less abrasive in your replies......I am only offering an opinion, it's not personal although it comes across as you taking it so.

Nah, that's not me you're talking about, Sussex :)

Now, this is the real me:-

"Gnome, you crack me up! I'm glad you're warming to me and it's likewise. The SPGB must use you and your charming ways to recruit new members."

http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/general-discussion/id-moneyless...

Spot on !   cool

SussexSocialist (not verified)

LOL! Perhaps, again we agree to disagree, although clearly you have (a) fan......! ;-)

I reckon ten years ago I'd have been every bit as 'abrasive' as you appear to me now and would have heartily agreed with the revolutionary and 'screw' the consequences attitude to a tee. However, bitter experience has taught me that subtelty and tact go further and more smoothly and have fewer dire consequences. But each to their own path I say, so long as we are going to the same destination..... ;-)

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PS - where do the smileys come from as they don't seem to appear on the reply toolbar......?

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