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Tim Kilgallon
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Very offensive or very hard?


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Tim Kilgallon wrote:
This is starting to look a little farcical. The way the "judgment" on Vin has been made has set the three Mods up as a Star Chamber. We have the guilty verdict, but we don't have any reasoning for the verdict, we have the sentence "contrition", what about fair process, has Vin been able to put his side of the story, it appears not, has he the right of appeal against he "sentence" apparently not, he has the bizarre option of being contrite.

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We advise he follows the appropriate procedure and makes a formal appeal to the EC for the ban to be rescinded.

What we have is a situation whereby a forum member, Vin, was suspended prior to two additional moderators joining the IC. Once Vin found out who they were, he asked our opinion on the matter, presumably with the view to have us overide the previous IC decision.

To date, as far as I'm aware Vin has not contacted the EC to put his side of the story forward and request a removal of his suspension.

It now appears the focus is being directed towards one word.


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moderator3 wrote:

Tim Kilgallon wrote:
This is starting to look a little farcical. The way the "judgment" on Vin has been made has set the three Mods up as a Star Chamber. We have the guilty verdict, but we don't have any reasoning for the verdict, we have the sentence "contrition", what about fair process, has Vin been able to put his side of the story, it appears not, has he the right of appeal against he "sentence" apparently not, he has the bizarre option of being contrite.

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We advise he follows the appropriate procedure and makes a formal appeal to the EC for the ban to be rescinded.

What we have is a situation whereby a forum member, Vin, was suspended prior to two additional moderators joining the IC. Once Vin found out who they were, he asked our opinion on the matter, presumably with the view to have us overide the previous IC decision.

To date, as far as I'm aware Vin has not contacted the EC to put his side of the story forward and request a removal of his suspension.

It now appears the focus is being directed towards one word.

Mod 3

Vin has stated that (with some dispute about the word very) he accepts the following statement:

"On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket"

for the uninitiated:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=worky%20ticket

Would you accept that he has therefore met the requirements put forward by the three Mods?

YFS

Tim


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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

 

Would you accept that he has therefore met the requirements put forward by the three Mods?

YFS

Tim

"After full consultation the moderators decided, Cde Vin Maratty be informed:

The indefinite suspension stays in place until further notice from the EC for it to be rescinded.

 We advise he follows the appropriate procedure and makes a formal appeal to the EC for the ban to be rescinded. 

Cde V Maratty should take the initiative himself of seeking redress from the EC and present his case so to ensure it contains a sincere contrition for past conduct"

Has cde Maratty taken the initative and engaged with the appeals process? Not to my knowledge.  Until he does that any consideration on "apologies" are irrelevant.

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Reminder: 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.

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Vin said: 

as I have no access to party docs on spintcom. Could a Mod give a reference for 'appropriate procedure'  Including the refence to 'contrition'  and an example of another forum user  having to use the procedure.

Also may I have a link to the EC resolution banning me permanently from all party forums? 

The EC is an administrative body whose function is to administer the affairs and decisions of the party as decided by the membership   via Conference, ADM and  party poll.    

My understanding is that the  membership have not given me a lifelong ban from all forums. The EC has no authority to do so without a mandate from the membership

As far as I am aware the mods are in charge of the forum 

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Mod 1

Could you please explain two things.

1. Is your post #25 intended as a restatement of your personal opinion of the current situation, or a repost of the decision posted on this thread by the Holy Trinity.

2. What was the reason for the inclusion in that decision for the recommendation that Vin should show "sincere contrition", surely the clear implication of that statement is that he must accept his "guilt" in order for the appeal to be successful, surely if his appeal is that he was not in the first place guilty of anything, then such a stetement is clearly prejudicial to his appeal. I am not posting this in relation to this particular case, but it is important that things are done fairly, to not do so would create a dangerous precident within the party Furthermore, surely his contrition is of no importance whatsoever, contritiion implies a feeling of remorse, what is the relevence of Vin's feelings one way or the other.

As I stated in my post, the principles of natural justice follow the maxin "Nemo iudex in causa sua", no one should be a judge in his own cause, as Vin's main complaint was against the way that you moderated his posts, surely the just thing would be for you to have no involvement in this process, yet by the very fact that you have been part of a team that has come to a "decision" (your words) that Vin's suspension would continue you clearly have not stepped aside


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These are the Terms of Reference for the Internet Committee

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1. To secure the Party’s electronic presence, including the maintenance of appropriate domain names.

2. To maintain and moderate the Party’s websites, blogsites and forums.

3. To arrange electronic dissemination of Party material, including the Socialist Standard.

4. To report to the EC annually in January on the results of work done and money spent in the previous calendar year. This is intended to be part of the EC report to Annual Conference.

5. To report to the EC annually in July on future plans and financial requirements for the coming calendar year. This is intended to be part of the EC report to the Annual Delegate Meeting.

6. To be composed of at least four members appointed annually by the EC from nominations made by branches; one to be nominated to act as a contact with the EC and departments and provide technical advice and assistance to the EC, officers and committees in order to maximise the potential benefit of ICT to the party. The committee to agree and maintain for each position a “role description” which will be made available to members being nominated. The role description may include details of how duties are carried out.


Apart from "maintain and moderate the Party websites, blogsites and forums" I neither see, nor am aware of, any specific reference to this sub-committee of the Executive Committee having been given the authority to dispense 'summary justice' in the form of an indefinite ban upon a forum user.  In the case of an infringement by a party member, should the transgression be considered so egregious, the appropriate course of action would be for the Executive Committee to instigate a charge of action detrimental to the interests of the party as provided for under Rule 31.

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yes

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First of all, let us dispense wth the false debate on the use of one word (mea culpa, btw). It was chosen to emphasise and ensure that Cde. Maratty fully understood that genuine regret for his part in past acrimonious disputes that led to his indefinite suspension was required and expected, and not just any token apology.

As for giving our reasons for upholding a current embargo upon Cde. Maratty's posts, i fear it would only lead to unwarranted and unnecessary future dissension. Discretion and keeping our consultation confidential was deemed a requirement of our proceedings as moderators to permit a full and frank exchange among us.

Vin in e-mails from myself, (and, more than likely also from other moderators, too), was told my reason for my adjudication.

If this is not acceptable and we are seen as some sort of judge, jury, and executioner, then i suggest you return to the basics of this discussion forum and suggest reform or even the dismantling of its guidelines and the whatever enforcement of it that you believe must take place in its stead. Until then the moderators will moderate as they see fit under their remit. 

Moderation of the forum has indeed changed. Rather than one moderator who has been accused of bias and prejudice in the past, there are now three moderators collaborating in the application of the forum rules who must now be accused of being engaged in conspiratorial practices rather than employing a process of internal discussion leading to a collective decision.

Our "crime" is, apparently, reviewing an existing previously imposed sanction when requested to and then upholding it, while recommending a course of action to Cde. Vin in an effort to remedy it.....

.....oh, and that "crime" of the employment of one particular word which i believed had more than just one inference. I stand corrected, now and will endeavour to be more judicious in my choice of language in the future....a thesaurus will be by my side.  

 

 

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