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Vin saidL

 

that was a little unfair. I was expecting my opinions to be delete so yes, you and alan have made a difference.

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Would it be preferable to put my moderators hat on to point out the use of one word does not have a religious meaning in the statement?

I would have thought the secular meaning of the word would be obvious? Obviously not.


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SocialistPunk wrote:

Would it be preferable to put my moderators hat on to point out the use of one word does not have a religious meaning in the statement?

I would have thought the secular meaning of the word would be obvious? Obviously not.

Vin said,

well you introduced the term in the OP. So it would only be fair to declare your interest in defending it's use?

 

Some words do not have a secular use 'sin' is one such example.

 

The IC statement is clearly stating that Cde V Maratty needs to admit to his sins and make an act of contrition. I have done that publicly. Is it sufficient?

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No reference to "sin" as far as I'm concerned. But then I have no history with christianity.


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Murderers and rapists eventually get out of prison without contrition. The Mods are giving out a lifetime ban and I think they should reconsider.

 

Linda

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moderator2 wrote:

 We advise he follows the appropriate procedure and makes a formal appeal to the EC for the ban to be rescinded. 

Vin said

When did it become an appropriate procedure for a suspended forum member to send an act of conrition  to the EC?

Have any other member followed this procedure?

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SocialistPunk wrote:

No reference to "sin" as far as I'm concerned. But then I have no history with christianity.

 

Vin said:

I was raised a catholic so I know all about contrition and  sins; there are venial sins (minor) and mortal sins (Really major).

Admiting your sins - veniel and mortal - and seeking forgiveness from God wipes the slate clean so to speak and your soul, which I always believed was around the chest area,  becomes lilly white.

Just as a side -  buggery was and still is a Mortal sin in the catholic church while raping and seizing land from the natives wasn't and still isn't

You may remember an absent cde from the NE who trained as a priest, to his mother's delight,  but after visiting the vatican to witness the contrasting wealth and poverty he thought 'bugger this'.

He left for the club every Sunday morning swearing to his mother that he was going to Church (which by the way is a Mortal sin)

But that didn't matter as he no longer believed in sin or contrition. To give him credit he drank in the 'Catholic Club

I miss Kevin

 

Catholicism Terrible religionsad

 

See what your missing having me banned, I have lots of useful information. Especially on the history the SPGB and its members in the North East and Catholicism. I may write a book on it someday, If I ever get access to the files on Spintcom again edit: Or a video lol

Comradely

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jondwhite wrote:

I don't think it's appropriate term even without the religious connotations.

Totally inappropriate but then there has been a tendency in the past for the party to take punitive measures against members who were perceived as 'detractors', continuing to do so when, on occasion, they had showed 'contrition'.  I really thought we'd moved on from those times...

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This is starting to look a little farcical. The way the "judgment" on Vin has been made has set the three Mods up as a Star Chamber. We have the guilty verdict, but we don't have any reasoning for the verdict, we have the sentence "contrition", what about fair process, has Vin been able to put his side of the story, it appears not, has he the right of appeal against he "sentence" apparently not, he has the bizarre option of being contrite.

In English law there is the concept of "natural Justice".

Natural justice is identified with the two constituents of a fair hearing, which are the rule against bias (nemo iudex in causa sua, or "no man a judge in his own cause"), and the right to a fair hearing (audi alteram partem, or "hear the other side"). Clearly the question here is as much about the decision to ban Vin as it is about his behaviour on the boards, so quite clearly at least one of the mods has been a judge in his own cause, secondly Vin has not been given the right to any kind of hearing, never mind a fair one.

The right to a fair hearing requires that individuals should not be penalised by decisions affecting their rights or legitimate expectations unless they have been given prior notice of the case, a fair opportunity to answer it, and the opportunity to present their own case.

Quite plainly the process that has been used here meets none of these criteria. Surely the type of process that Democratic Socialists use as part of their dealings, should be demonstrably fairer, more transparent and more accessible than the "Justice" meted out by Capitalist Law.

As a way forward can I suggest Father Ted, Father Jack and Father Dougal (aka as Mods 1, 2 & 3) take a step down from their pearly thrones and have a think about how they have gone about this process and then come up with a just, generally acceptable and efficient way to handle bans and appeals against bans, which meets the rules of natural justice at the very least.

On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket" (he knows what that means). Perhaps all parties could agree to move forward, with Vin's right to post restored and some form of sanity restored.

As I am also a "recovering Catholic" I can see Vin's point about the use of the word contrition, however from my experience of Catholicism, he should just be glad he was only asked to make an act of contrition, One of our priests liked the lady parishioners to show their contrition by having a quick blow on the "pink oboe",

p.s. Vin, I miss Kevin a lot as well, but he would be chuffed to know that Socialist activity is restarting in the North East


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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket" (he knows what that means). Perhaps all parties could agree to move forward, with Vin's right to post restored and some form of sanity restored.

Vin said:

Remove the word very and I will support every word. But then I have admitted all this in the past.  And have been left humiliated

It became personal, I was a target, slightly off topic and I was warned etc etc.

Now that we have more mods I think it will see and end to that. I am willing to move forward and will stick to the rules.

 

By the way Tim, your one to call someone a 'worky ticket', cheeky

 

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