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moderator2
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It has been pointed out that there does not exist a permanent ban - but an indefinite suspension. 

The moderators have on numerous occasions directed Cde.Vin to address his concerns about his circumstances directly to the EC who possess the authority to instruct the moderators to rescind their decision. 

We rightly permit anyone to express their views...as long as they abide by the guidelines and rules of this forum. The original decision to issue Cde. Vin with his indefinite suspension was not taken lightly and it was subsequently reviewed and re-confirmed.

It may have been forgotten by some but he was indefinitely suspended for persistently breaching the rules despite being subject previous sanctions against his behaviour on the forum which disrupted its operation for other users. 

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Mod2

Are your actions in opposition to your principles?

 

Your Honor,years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

 

Debs

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moderator2 wrote:

It may have been forgotten by some but he was indefinitely suspended for persistently breaching the rules despite being subject previous sanctions against his behaviour on the forum which disrupted its operation for other users. 

 

This is not what I have found. I have found provocation from mod1 displaying an uneven hand and vin questioning this on threads set up for questioning moderation. I believe his penultimate ban typifies the cenario

Mod1 's provocation is evident even now in his discussions with Tim. Accusing him of being undemocratic without apology

Vin has made it clear on numerous ocassions that he will stick to the rules, unlike many others.

What more do you require?

It is a permanent ban of a party member

And I suspect there are moves afoot to ban another member. This is unacceptable in our movement

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" I personally would rather put up with insults, abuse, ravings, etc. than have a member of the SPGB indefinitely suspended from posting on the forum."

This an old debate about having no moderation and it was settled a long time ago. Your or my personal individual feelings have nothing to do with it anymore. The decision has been made about the structure of the forum. I'm afraid there is no point in resurrecting it unless your branch is formally proposing its end at Conference and indeed decided that it is prepared for the unintended consequences that will arise in a free-for-all forum without any moderation 

And, yes, moderators have assumed certain responsibilities but are fully cognisant that our actions do not always carry the infallibility of a judgement from Solomon. We will not always be right.

However, when we prove to be malicious or incompetent or dictatorial, we hope there will be a move for our dismissal as moderators but until that time, we can only take the silence from the majority of forum users as implied approval of our actions. 

 

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moderator2 wrote:

However, when we prove to be malicious or incompetent or dictatorial, we hope there will be a move for our dismissal as moderators but until that time, we can only take the silence from the majority of forum users as implied approval of our actions. 

 

Or our criticism

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I cannot understand why anyone would chose to spend valuable time policing and preventing a member from actively promoting socialism and the party 

Most of Vin's 'breaches' were petty and he has overly apologised, yet the IC and EC persist in attempting to stamp out his initiatives and  activities and forcing him away from the party. I am amazed that the new mods have continued with this fiasco

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lindanesocialist wrote:

I cannot understand why anyone would chose to spend valuable time policing and preventing a member from actively promoting socialism and the party 

Most of Vin's 'breaches' were petty and he has overly apologised, yet the IC and EC persist in attempting to stamp out his initiatives and  activities and forcing him away from the party. I am amazed that the new mods have continued with this fiasco

If indeed Vin has made an apology it would be appreciated if you could PM the moderators with the evidence.

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If indeed Vin has made an apology it would be appreciated if you could PM the moderators with the evidence.

 

Moderators decision on Cde. Maratty's indefinite forum ban

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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket" (he knows what that means). Perhaps all parties could agree to move forward, with Vin's right to post restored and some form of sanity restored.

Vin said:

Remove the word very and I will support every word. But then I have admitted all this in the past.  And have been left humiliated

 

There is more but this is probably the latest

 

 

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lindanesocialist wrote:

moderator1 wrote:

 

If indeed Vin has made an apology it would be appreciated if you could PM the moderators with the evidence.

 

Moderators decision on Cde. Maratty's indefinite forum ban

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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket" (he knows what that means). Perhaps all parties could agree to move forward, with Vin's right to post restored and some form of sanity restored.

Vin said:

Remove the word very and I will support every word. But then I have admitted all this in the past.  And have been left humiliated

 

There is more but this is probably the latest

 

 

Thank you for such an early response.  I strongly advise Vin to inform the EC that he wishes to make an appeal to have his indefinite suspension lifted on the grounds of the above statement.

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It is not up to the EC. It is up to the moderators who posts on this forum not the EC. 

Unless you can refer me to the relevant forum rule as I cannot find refence to EC appeals

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