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meel2
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America is one big lie ...

A compilation of the late comedian George Carlin's best shows.

"We're living in a coast to coast shopping mall".

"This country was founded by a group of slave owners who told us 'all men are created equal'. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqdsNxS_fk8

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It seems that Americans won't wander semi-conscious through shopping malls for much longer.

They are closing fast and left to decay.

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By 2022, analysts estimate that 1 out of every 4 malls in the U.S. could be out of business, victims of changing tastes, a widening wealth gap and the embrace of online shopping for everything from socks to swing sets.

This year alone, more than 8,600 stores could close, according to industry estimates, many of them the brand-name anchor outlets that real estate developers once stumbled over themselves to court. Already there have been 5,300 retail closings this year, including Sears, Macy's, JCPenney and Kmart stores.

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Local jobs are a major casualty of what analysts are calling, with only a hint of hyperbole, the retail apocalypse. Since 2002, department stores have lost 448,000 jobs, a 25% decline, while the number of store closures this year is on pace to surpass the worst depths of the Great Recession.

http://time.com/4865957/death-and-life-shopping-mall/

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meel2 wrote:

It seems that Americans won't wander semi-conscious through shopping malls for much longer.

They are closing fast and left to decay.

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By 2022, analysts estimate that 1 out of every 4 malls in the U.S. could be out of business, victims of changing tastes, a widening wealth gap and the embrace of online shopping for everything from socks to swing sets.

This year alone, more than 8,600 stores could close, according to industry estimates, many of them the brand-name anchor outlets that real estate developers once stumbled over themselves to court. Already there have been 5,300 retail closings this year, including Sears, Macy's, JCPenney and Kmart stores.

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Local jobs are a major casualty of what analysts are calling, with only a hint of hyperbole, the retail apocalypse. Since 2002, department stores have lost 448,000 jobs, a 25% decline, while the number of store closures this year is on pace to surpass the worst depths of the Great Recession.

http://time.com/4865957/death-and-life-shopping-mall/

@meel2

Every shoping mall is it's own "markeplace".  When capitialist describe a mall closing what they are saying is marxist terms is that "a capitalist experiment (capitalist island) in creating a capitalist market in this mall has failed again".  You might count the number of mall closings as evidence of the failure of capitalism.  The home does not work like a capitalist market usually.  People give and take in a home according to their ability and according to their need.  When a family divores or separates this is like a failure of socialism or comunism in capitalist language. A family is maybe considered a small "socialist island" in how it functions internally and how resources are distributed based on means and ability.

When a mall closes there is more sharing and time spent sharing in families an more non-marketplace transactions.  When families fail their is more time spent shopping in malls and in the capital economy to meet needs and share abilities.  

Or so it seems to me.

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Define transaction

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jondwhite wrote:

Define transaction

One way of defining transaction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis


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Tim Kilgallon wrote:

jondwhite wrote:

Define transaction

One way of defining transaction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis

i like all definitions of transaction.  The point IMO behind "transactional analysis" is that it allows measurment of transactions where as an internal psychology freudian or rationalization type logic argument or political argument does not allow for quantitative measurable analysis.  Marx worked mostly with non-transactional theories.  There's a good reason for Marx not working with Transactional analysis because transactional analysis requires massive computing power to study the transactions and assign numbers and do modeling of the transactions.  In marx day, it was not possible to study a phenomena like capitalism with a transactional analysis description of the problem because creating a transactional description of the problem would require collecting thousands or millioins of receipt transactions or thousands or millioins of interpersonal transactions as described in words by the people in the interpersonal transaction analysis.  then marx would have had to build at least a punch card computer to sort the thousands of transactions and catalogue them by the milliions and then marx would have been able to say something about class with a transactional analysis argument.  So the moral is Marx was brilliant, but without a computer and modern data collection methods, even a brilliant man can't get much value from transactional analysis study of the economy and politics and class.  

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When a mall closes there is more sharing and time spent sharing in families an more non-marketplace transactions.

Eh, no.  I don't see what you're on about.  Quite simply, the shopping malls are closing because a) Americans have less money in their pockets due to job losses and b) they are swicthing from the malls to the internet for their shopping.

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meel2 wrote:

Steve said:

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When a mall closes there is more sharing and time spent sharing in families an more non-marketplace transactions.

Eh, no.  I don't see what you're on about.  Quite simply, the shopping malls are closing because a) Americans have less money in their pockets due to job losses and b) they are swicthing from the malls to the internet for their shopping.

 

Yes, I agree with what you said and think that it is in agreement with what I said.  Both of us can be true at the same time. 

Everytime a shopping mall closes it is a "market failure" like the way if lake dries up it's an "ecosystem failure" or the way if a communist experiment fails then it's a "communist failure".  My point is that in the minds of capitalist, a mall is a specefic example of a marketplace and specefic examples of capitalist marketplaces fail quite frequently.  However, people don't stop exchanging favors and sharing when a marketplace like the local mal closes.  Instead of going to the mall those people spend more time doing favors for each ohter locally.  Intead of going to the mall to buy chicken the neighbors cook chicken in their back yard for each other using a non-marketplace system of distributing goods and services.  For an example of how goods and servies are exchange aoutside of a market place like a mall, look at athe nighborhood community barbeque culture.  Only cool neighbors get invited to the backyard chicken cookout after the mall closes.  When the mall was open then only financially well off neighbors get food and they get it in exchange for money insted of being good neighbors and they get their chicken in the food court chicken restaurant intead of in their neighbors back yard.  

So what I'm saying is that the Market is only one mode of distrubution and sharing and exchange of goods and services. There's lots of other ways people share and exchange value like in familes people share not based on money, but based on needs and at neighborhood cookouts the sharing is based on personality or neighborhood status not based on how much money you have. 

As far as switching to the internet, instead of shopping at malls. . . Yes, that's happening too. But the internet doesn't provide some of the social status and other value added factors that malls provided.  Malls let people have cliques and there's people like "mall rats" and their is "mall culture" and there is no the same thing with the amazon.com marketplace because then you have "clicks" instead of "cliques"  and instead of social status of being seen at the mall (yes, that used to be a thing for late teens to be seen at the mall to meet people in smallish towns). 

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