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alanjjohnstone
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PRESIDENT Donald Trump

So what is your thoughts? 

Mine is what dreadful political pundit i make...i thought Yes for Scotland, Remain for the UK ...and i thought Hilarity would be the next president of the USA. I even thought the Pirates in Iceland had a chance of holding political office. 

Never trust me to pick a winner in any election, comrades. 

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World." - Eugene V. Debs

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Well Alan I picked the winner on both occasions so perhaps I should really pursue a career in gambling I guess - although is it absolutely certain yet that Trump has won?

As with Brexit what we are seeing here is the pus coming out after the boil has been lanced.  This is the legacy of years and years of institutionalized contempt and cynicism that the poltical establishment  has displayed towards the electorate.  There is a sort of change going on in the world which is a little deeper than the usual case of Tweedledum taking turns with Tweedledee in holding the reins of power.  A sort of threshold has been crossed.

Where this take us I don't know.  But the way in which we socialists put across our ideas needs to accommodate this shift in the mood of the working class.  In a perverse kind of way the idea of President Trump is not the altogether depressing thought it would otherwise be

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I very quickly cut and pasted blog post

http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2016/11/president-donald-tr...

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World." - Eugene V. Debs

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How long will it be before Trump back-tracks on all his policies and threats?

More importantly, when will theworkers from  rural and the rust states learn that the promises and pledges were election rhetoric. 

Humiliated in defeat and having rejected Sanders "progressive" policies, do the Democrats shift to the right to re-capture the votes?

Will it move left-wards? I said elsewhere some speculate already that it will be Elizabeth Warren for 2020

 Republican president senate and congress, and with advisers such as John Bolton expected to have positions of power what will be the impact on domestic and international affairs?

Obamacare? The Iran Deal? ...so so many questions...And can we say that Trump will serve as puppet to his pay-masters ? Will it be The Wall or Wall St?

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World." - Eugene V. Debs

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Oh and i forgot about his pro-fossil fuels and anti-climate change responses

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World." - Eugene V. Debs

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After Brexit. Now this. What next? Any bets on Marie Le Pen as president of France next year?

There does seem to be a trend against globalization and a retreat into narrow nationalism. This is what happened the last time there was a prolonged period of slump and stagnation, in the 1930s. Whether there'll be a return to trade wars as then remains to be seen.

The small mercy is that politically this is not taking the form of a movement to replace political democracy by political dictatorship. In fact it's rather more the opposite, with both "left" and "right" demanding more accountability and more direct democracy. That  won't make any difference to the way capitalism operates (to put profits before people) though. What happens, then, when Trump fails to bring "prosperity" for the victims of globalisation he appealed to and who voted for him?

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As with Brexit, the disturbing thing is thre is no discernable working class movement, except in asserting nationalist rights: repatriate the jobs that the Otehr has taken away.  It really does call into question whether the working class is the agent of sociealism.  Should we then, as Paul mason suggests today, tail end liberalism as a lesser evil?

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If Clinton won, there would be a long period of acquiescence to provide her with room to keep the promises she made to the Sanders supporters before opposition would be mobilised aginst her.

Will Trump get this breathing space? Perhaps the Trump win and the disgraceful Democratic performance could mean a much faster coalescing into a resistance, unconstrained by the Democrat middle-roaders 

The Sanders 'Our Movement' can no longer be used as a gentle pressure group by the Democrat liberals but will  perhaps become an all-out resistance to Trump and all the Republican politicians that have been elected and who are set on implemented an array of right-wing policies.

How will Obama treat the remainder of his presidency now that he will not hand over to an "heir" but his 8-year legacy such as Obamacare is to be dismantled? His only claim to fame is being the first black president who achieved very little.

Will he still have his eye on the post-presidency years of serving Wall St as the two Clintons have done and will continue doing and so maintain his moderate positions? Or will he use his executive power to put a spanner into the works of Trump?

Unlike Brexit, there is no constitutional argument to keep the dissent among the elite. If carried out, Trump's threats will lead to street protests.

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World." - Eugene V. Debs

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alanjjohnstone wrote:
The Sanders 'Our Movement' ....
Is this the same as "Our Revolution"?

Young Master Smeet
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

So, according to this exit poll, the poorest in society backed Clinton, what it looks like, though, is skilled workers ($30K+) went with trump.  Also, notetrump is up 16% among the lowest group: some leftists are trying to spin against the 'Trump captured the poor' theme, but that's a huge grab of votes.

Vaoufakis comments hre:

https://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2016/11/09/trumps-triumph-diem25-on-how-progressives-must-react/

He's right, there is a reactionary inernational being organised.

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Yeah, ALB...i'm still in shock...It is Our Revolution i meant ...

They will be in disarray having to re-arrange their analyses now. Originally it was a grassroots Democratic rank and file grouping to elect and campaign for Sanderesque candidates  but now many will be arguing that it becomes more activist ...

https://ourrevolution.com/election-2016/

Quote:
Statement on Election Results

"Too many communities have been left behind in the global economy. Too many young people cannot afford the cost of the college education. Too many cannot afford basic necessities like health care, housing, or retirement.

 "Those of us who want a more equitable and inclusive America need to chart a new course that represents the needs of middle income and working families. The most important thing we can do is come together in unity and fight to protect the most vulnerable people of this country. Just like we did yesterday, Our Revolution will be on the front lines of the fight against the Dakota Access Pipeline and the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal tomorrow morning. We will do everything in our power to ensure that the president-elect cannot ignore the battles Americans are facing every single day.

 "Tonight Donald Trump was elected president. Our job is to offer a real alternative vision and engage on the local and national level to continue the work of the political revolution in the face of a divided nation."

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World." - Eugene V. Debs

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