Manchester: tit fior tat?
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It seems that both sides are targetting children in this conflict.
But no media outrage for Syrian children.
I think we can be assured that the media values some lives more than any other.It is now the custom for foreign nations to project the flag of terrorist-attacked countries on their public buildings – But not for Russian victims of ISIS terrorAlmost the same day, we had 35 migrants, many of them toddlers, drown and UK-trained Libyan coastguards firing warning shots at the rescuers to keep them away. Just yesterday, we had the murder of 28 Coptic Christians in Egypt. It also seems that the UK gave asylum to an anti-Gadaffi militant linked to a UN-recognised terrorist organisaton, Then the father was "ours" and protected https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/bombers-father-fought-against-gaddafi-regime-with-terrorist-grouphttps://au.news.yahoo.com/a/35641392/father-of-manchester-suicide-bomber-member-of-the-libyan-islamic-fighting-group/#page1ffi-paramilitary-group-13087255https://www.rt.com/uk/389694-libya-abedi-lifg-cameron/How do we convey the rank hypocrisy without lessening our horror at the Manchester slaughter? It's difficult.
It is interesting that MSN should carry a report citing Boris Johnson's condemnation of Corbyn's comment that the war on terror is simply not working, as being “absolutely monstrous”: "Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, intensified the attack, saying Corbyn’s comments were “absolutely monstrous”. Speaking alongside the US secretary of state Rex Tillerson, he said it was “absolutely extraordinary and inexplicable in this week of all weeks that there should be any attempt to justify or to legitimate the actions of terrorists in this way”. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-corbyn-the-war-on-terror-is-simply-not-working/ar-BBByd9m?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartandhp It is amazing how an idiot like Johnson can so distort the meaning of what Corbyn was saying as to interpet it as an attempt to justify or to legitimate the actions of terrorists . Perhaps, Johnson needs to learn the difference between a word like "justification" – and "explanation". Corbyn was trying to explain the background to an event like the Manchester – not "justify" it – and on this occasion he was absolutely correct. The invasion of Iraq has had blowback consequences in terms of rising levels of terrorism across the world – just as he predicted. You cannot carpet bomb a country, kill tens of thousands of innocents in the process and expect their relatives, friends and acquaintances to stoically accept this outcome as an understandable case of collateral damage. Meanwhile, Johnson himself , while seeing fit to lecture others on making "absolutely monstrous" comments, sees nothing incongruous about defending arms sales to the monstrous Saudi regime that has killed many times more innocents than that sick and psychologically disturbed young man whose appaling act in Manchester resulted in the deaths of 22 othershttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/05/mps-to-urge-ban-on-uk-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia Now that is what I call being really "absolutely monstrous"!
robbo203 wrote:It is amazing how an idiot like Johnson can so distort the meaning of what Corbyn was saying as to interpet it as an attempt to justify or to legitimate the actions of terrorists . Perhaps, Johnson needs to learn the difference between a word like "justification" – and "explanation". Corbyn was trying to explain the background to an event like the Manchester – not "justify" it – and on this occasion he was absolutely correct.Corbyn, with his endorsement of capitalism–the cause of all these conflicts–is just as guilty as Johnson.
rodmanlewis wrote:robbo203 wrote:It is amazing how an idiot like Johnson can so distort the meaning of what Corbyn was saying as to interpet it as an attempt to justify or to legitimate the actions of terrorists . Perhaps, Johnson needs to learn the difference between a word like "justification" – and "explanation". Corbyn was trying to explain the background to an event like the Manchester – not "justify" it – and on this occasion he was absolutely correct.Corbyn, with his endorsement of capitalism–the cause of all these conflicts–is just as guilty as Johnson.
That might be true in a general sense – in fact, it is true that in the end he does indeed endorse a system that is the root cause of these conflicts – but that does not mean his particular explanation for the rise of terrorism and the emergence of organsiations like ISIS is not correct. I believe it is correct and just because Corbyn is a capitalist politician does not precluding the posibility of him being occasionally correct.Without that stupid war in Iraq there would be no ISIS today and to give him his due, Corbyn did at least oppose that war on principle unlike many other capitalist politicans
robbo203 wrote:It is amazing how an idiot like Johnson can so distort Meanwhile, Johnson himself , while seeing fit to lecture others on making "absolutely monstrous" commentsNow that is what I call being really "absolutely monstrous"!Couldn't have put it better myself
robbo203 wrote:That might be true in a general sense – in fact, it is true that in the end he does indeed endorse a system that is the root cause of these conflicts – but that does not mean his particular explanation for the rise of terrorism and the emergence of organsiations like ISIS is not correct. I believe it is correct and just because Corbyn is a capitalist politician does not precluding the posibility of him being occasionally correct.Without that stupid war in Iraq there would be no ISIS today and to give him his due, Corbyn did at least oppose that war on principle unlike many other capitalist politicansOK, so his analysis of the emergence of ISIS correct, but you won't hear him saying that he was partly responsible by supporting capitalism, and not working for socialism and the end of all war. The least he could do–he calls himself a socialist is to explain in unambigious terms that there is a better society possible, Surely the Labour Party has the resources to run education classes in socialism? That would show worthwhile sincerity. Of course, career politicians and their acolytes are not going to do that. A few months ago he described himself as a socialist, and I emailed the Labour Party for their definition, but they never responded. These people are just as dangerous for wallowing in their sincerity as are out-and-out supporters of capitalism (who are probably just as sincere in that they defend capitalism, not because they think it is perfect or fair, but that it is the only social system that will work, however badly).The Law of Unintended Consequences is, by definition, impossible to predict. Hindsight is the only exact science.
What a fuckin horrible species we are. Even in "Primitive Communism" they were laying the foundations of private property society through murder, human sacrifice and fetishing their leaders. "But it's the system!". For me it's the other way about. We are the system through which Capitalism operates as the latest most hideous reflection…of us. I wish I could get out of this negative shit whilst lobbing pointless bombs but I just feel we are totally fucked.
Ozymandias wrote:What a fuckin horrible species we are. Even in "Primitive Communism" they were laying the foundations of private property society through murder, human sacrifice and fetishing their leaders. "Where did you get this idea from Ozy? Here's a few links that might persuade you to think otherwise https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/14/early-men-women-equal-sc…https://libcom.org/history/how-hunter-gatherers-maintained-their-egalita… You should read anything by Brian R Ferguson who is the world's leading authority on early warfare, apparently. He would be highly skeptical of the picture you paint. Here's a link to his profile, Scroll down to publications and then articles which you can read for yourself https://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/r-brian-ferguson
Ozy, you could also do with contacting the "Center for Global NonKiling". There is a greak link here to a range of interesting articles http://www.nonkilling.org/pdf/nksocieties.pdf I find your chronic sense of pessimism about the human condition depressing and, frankly, quite misplaced
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