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Vin
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I think 'personality cult' is not an accurate description of the Corbyn thingimyjigg. In fact the opposite may be true. People are attracted to him because he lacks 'personality' and are more interested in what he says.

 

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I think all we need to do is substitute Corbyn for Sanders and we see that there are parallels - the hopes and aspirations of a class that has been resoundingly defeated in the past perhaps having itself revived and perhaps fighting again...

"I have no country to fight for; my country is the Earth, and I am a citizen of the World." - Eugene V. Debs

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- the hopes and aspirations of a class that has been resoundingly defeated in the past perhaps having itself revived and perhaps fighting again...

Och away you go, you!  Your overseas Idyll has affected your heid. Your are romantising slavish attachment to a deluded,  'meek and humble' potential saviour, who will manage their discontent moderately better than the last Bliar ones they adulated and even voted back in, after he had fellow workers slaughtered.

As for the new younger supporters ,it is incumbant upon us to disillusion them quickly, before they get into a reformist supporting groove, not going aboot being mealie mouthed with guarded criticism or clutching 'perhapses' straws in the manufactured wind of the Corbynite equivalent of Peter Tatchellite 'baby steps'.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

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I think workers have in a sense woken up but they are turning to reformism for the answer, which is all the more reason why we need to have our voices heard. How we do that is very important. We don't want  our opposition to Corbyn to be lost amongst the Tory voices of ridicule. We need to be carefull in that respect.

Workers supporting Corbyn are at least talking about inequality, democratic control, public ownership etc  and may well be susceptible to hearing what we have to say on those subjects.

 

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Before they went to sleep, they were supporting the cuts and having a laugh at 'benefit porn'. They only woke up when it started hurting some more of them and their own reality didn't correspond with what they were hearing.

We have been here before and we need to be as uncompromising and as hard hitting of Labour 'saviours' as we are of the Tories.

 

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

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 I am talking about workers not the Labour Party. Its one thing to say that Labour are as bad as the Tories but another to attack individuals or workers seeking a change. 

Not sure what you mean by 'they'. 

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I am talking about workers not the Labour Party. Its one thing to say that Labour are as bad as the Tories but another to attack individuals or workers seeking a change. Not sure what you mean by 'they'.

I don't know where you get the idea I am attacking anyone individually or collectively, other than their mistaken, deluded, ideas.

  In the case of the stoodents mammas and pappas, they should know better anyway, by now, in any case, those don't want a change, but a release of the tension on their squeezed middles, so they can kick the kids out and realise the equity on their homes and the promises of Blair, Thatcher, individualised property owning democracy crap.

The stoodents want relieved of debt to be as 'successful' as their folks don't think they are any more, when they were laughing at the benefit porn.

Poorer workers want a restoration of mythical, 'cradle to grave' type welfare. (A comfortable good myth to have had, after two world wars.)

I generalise, wildly perhaps, but inside all of that there may be  a tiny minority, wanting a real change sufficiently to investigate the possibility of it and their active agency in bringing it about, rather than a restoration of statist delusional myths, fed by Labourite parables, of 'how good it all used to be', on the way to power over them.

 We are not doing the 'soft soap' sales, we leave that to others, we are the 'fire and brimstone', 'shake 'em up and listen' people, as the rate of exploitation is increased, there is no turning back or alleviation of it, they need to become their own politicians and vote for themselves collectively and not the 'soft soaper' parasite class enablers like Corbyn and his ilk.

So what! if our robust message initially causes them to walk away their wee heids hurting.

They will not hear the case for socialism from anyone else.

 

 

 

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

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The case is rational not ethical. There's no reason we need to use the 'fire and brimstone' approach.

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jondwhite wrote:

The case is rational not ethical. There's no reason we need to use the 'fire and brimstone' approach.

Yes , yes. That in the main. Have you ever spoken from the platform to hostiles? I have been there when a rational calm speaker, getting matches inserted in his open toed sandals, had to make way for another more combative speaker, to take on pro IRA moron, chanters of , 'This is a no go area' with, "the only no go area is between your ears pal". (Vic Vanni)

It is horses for courses.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

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Anyone who wears open-toed sandals deserves all he gets. Did he flee hot-foot? I saw Coleman have a pint of beer poured over his head. Most amusing.

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