Are Left communists Leninists?

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    jondwhite
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    Left communists are sometimes implied to be more critical of Lenin and Leninism but this CWO (ICT) article seems to suggest otherwise, and that current leftcom organisations are more than just vanguardists

    http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2017-10-06/the-significance-of-the-russian-revolution-for-today

    Likewise the ICC

    http://en.internationalism.org/

    #130098
    alanjjohnstone
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    Perhaps. Perhaps not.I however find that despite differences and in particular analysis of history, i find some degree of agreement which could be built upon.

    #130097
    Anonymous
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    They are Leninists of other stripes. The ICC claims that they are not Leninists but they support and defend many basic aspects of Leninism.The so-called Left Communists originated from the Russian opposition, they only rejected Stalin management style, but they supported everything regarding Leninismhttp://en.internationalism.org/wr/238_leftcom.htm.    A couple of years ago they were united with the Anarchists, and now they are attacking the Anarchists. They are like a clock pendulum

    #130099
    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    Perhaps. Perhaps not.I however find that despite differences and in particular analysis of history, i find some degree of agreement which could be built upon.

    Check them very very careful and you will see that they are Leninists in disguise. There are some groups who have rejected the vanguard party, but they have kept the most distorted part of Lenin. Leninism is not the vanguard party to lead only. Most of them claim that the Soviet Union was socialist until 1930, and most of them continue raising the so-called slogan of the anti-imperialism, the revolution in two stages in some so called third world country ( they are still living in the past ) and the so called socialist state. The ICC has rejected Anarchism completely, but they do not know that Marx was also an Anarchist, and he borrowed many of his conceptions from the Anarchists

    #130100
    Anonymous
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    They were differences between the Hoxhaists and the Maoists, but in essence, both tendencies were Stalinists and Leninists. The Trotskyists claim that Trotsky was a Bolshevik and a  Leninist, but Stalin was also an old Bolshevik too. Stalin was the founder of the so-called tendency known as  Marxism-Leninism

    #130101
    DJP
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    Yes. Left wing Leninists.

    #130102
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    DJP, this leads me to ask the obvious…what is a right-wing Leninist?

    #130103
    jondwhite
    Participant

    Bordiga?

    #130104
    ALB
    Keymaster

    No, someone like Bukharin (though he was a Left Communist at one time)

    #130105
    Anonymous
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    #130106
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The ICC speak for themselveshttp://en.internationalism.org/ir/96/leninistshttp://en.internationalism.org/ir/97/leninists2

    #130107
    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    The ICC speak for themselveshttp://en.internationalism.org/ir/96/leninistshttp://en.internationalism.org/ir/97/leninists2

    They were Trostkysts, and they supported the Russian opposition. They also support the Anarchists. They have had more subdisiions than the Ottoman empire. I know one Leninist organization who had 25 splitt"Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend  Mao Tse TungLeninism is like clock pendulum, it oscillates from one side into another side

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