Minutes of the 5th Meeting of the 105th Executive Committee of the
Socialist Party of Great Britain on the 3 of May 2008 at 52 Clapham High
Street, London
 


(These minutes are not official until ratified by the EC.)

Present: Carter, Deutz, Johnson, McEwan, Miller, Roberts, Thomas (present
at 12.55),White.
Apologies: Buick. Absent. Wigley.

Meeting started late at 12.40pm. due to some members not receiving their
papers in time for which the General Secretary apologised.

1. Minutes of the previous meeting.
a. Motion 1 McEwan/Deutz “That motion 9 be amended to replace “abstain”
with “obtain“. Agreed unanimously
b. Motion 2 Miller/McEwan “In item 6, replace “use non-copyright” with
License”. Agreed
Agreed to accept the minutes.
Comrade Carter complained that she misses the proof reading that Comrade
Vein used to do. Comrade Deutz offered to proof read minutes, which offer
gratefully accepted.

2. Matters Arising
a No nominations received for the Publications Department.
b No nominations received for the Advisory Committee to the Treasurer.
It was agreed that further calls be made for these two Committees.
c No responses yet to the Amendments to Branch Standing Orders
Agreed to defer till next meeting.

3. Notices of Business
a Resignation of T. Miller from the Internet Department. (T.Miller).This
item is deferred as Comrade Miller has not yet completed certain aspects
of his work.
It was agreed to make a call for nominations to the Internet Department.

b The situation of the people in India (N.White)
Comrade White had not meant this as a Matter of Business. Agreed to delete
it as such. The Gen. Sec reported that in accordance with Motions 38 and
39 of the last minutes, copies of the documents have been despatched, by
Comrade Buick. No reply yet received.

c Replacement of Computer (T.Miller)
Discussion on this item considered the necessity of another computer, some
factors are that one is very slow and few find the other easy to use
because of its Linus associations, that sometimes it’s not possible for a
third person to get on with work because both are in use.
Motion 3 White/Carter “That Comrade Miller is authorised to spend up to
£400 to replace the slow computer in the office”. Carried unanimously.

d Removal of the Treasurer Upstairs
Comrade Thomas suggests utilising the desk on the balcony that Comrade
Miller had used, that he would need a table and some drawers, he will
provide figures for the move next month. He would need a basic computer
that runs Excel with a black and white printer. Comrade Miller said that
network connections to the top floor are a problem but it’s possible to
have a memory stick and a USB connection to enable printing downstairs. It
was agreed that the move be carried out, but when HOO has finished
re-organising the Literature room when the situation will be reviewed. The
slow computer (Ermine) to be repaired.

e Terms of Reference of Committees and Departments
Deferred to enable the paper work to be sent out for members to consider
this item.

4. Forms A and F
None

5 Accounts
a Comrade Thomas reports that the statutory return to the Election
Commission was returned this week.
b He met with a representative of the Insurance company and our insurance
has been extended. The exit door from the basement into the backyard
should be open when meetings are in progress. Possibly we should fit a
crashbar. He wasn’t able to find the Fire Risk assessment, the record
seemed to show that it was last done in November 2006.

6 Reports of Party Officers, Committees and Departments.

a Ballot Committee
Conference Voting Results. [Already published here at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spintcom/message/7987 ].

Motion 4 (McEwan and Thomas) “The General Secretary appraise Officers,
Committees and Departments of the Conference voting results as
appropriate”. Carried unanimously
The EC. understands that the Ballot Committee did not use the unique stamp
as required by the EC. and reminds the Ballot Committee of the need for
this stamp. (Dec.EC Mins Item (g) iii Motion 13)

b New Speakers Handbook from L.Higgins
Consideration deferred

c Report from the Video Production Committee
Comrade Chesham reports that the unedited recording of the Global Warming
meeting filmed by Comrade Otter is ready for the next decision to be
made, about this and other recordings held by the Party, and those to be
made in the future. Comrade Johnson referred to ex-member Carole Taylor
and her offer of professional tuition to two Comrades and editing
services. She suggests it better to buy the equipment and to use a
computer. Comrades receiving tuition would need to travel to Derbyshire
and possibly attend a weekend school. Some EC. members preferred the
simplest, cheapest option. The question of the value of unadorned DVD’s
was raised, to have music and titles would be nice, and whether we wanted
a professional or amateur result. We were reminded of the new computer
which is to be ordered, that Comrades Chesham and Otter prefer a dedicated
DVD/HDD recorder, that Comrade Chesham does not have time to travel to the
Peak District. Comrade McEwan said that if DVDs produced she would add
music and titles.
Motion 5 (McEwan and Thomas) “That the Video Production Committee is
authorised to spend up to £200 on the purchase of a DVD/HDD recorder”.
Carried 6/1 1 abstention

d. Fire Risk Assessment
Report from M.Browne deferred

e Campaigns Department Report
The Climate Change Half-day school. Twenty members and eighteen visitors
attended, thirty-eight in total. Comrade Johnson reported that all the
usual channels were taken, advertising was extended, three different sites
on the Internet were plugged. It was suggested that the reason for the
lack of success of one-off adverts. was that they were one-off. The
visiting speaker was interesting but was allowed too long with his
presentation some of which was somewhat like a succession of holiday
photos. The guest speaker should know be made aware of the format and time
allowed. The meeting should not be for the sake of the film and allowed to
run over time and edited. The Chair should be clear as to the procedures,
deal politely with difficult visitors, banners should not taken down
whilst the speaker was winding up, time should be allowed for questions
and discussion and the room to be cleared on time. The counting of the
collection should be discreet and the tea-urn must not be allowed to keep
noisily reaching boiling point. .It was felt that Comrade Gardner handled
the difficult subject very well. Comrade Johnson apologised for the faults
that were found. On the entertainment at the Social in the evening at Head
Office, the drama duo’s performance about Suffragettes was totally at odds
with what the Party argues. Jacqueline (Visitor) said the idea was about
how Socialists might put across an argument in dramatic fashion, they took
questions. Comrade Johnson said it was Agitprop, he did make it clear
about questions and discussion. The EC generally did not think it good
enough to allow an opinion against the Party case without our case being
put. And that in living memory Glasgow branch performed a hilarious skit
with social comment.

f. Head Office Organiser Job Description Amendment.
Deferred

g Election Report
The result in the Lambeth and Southwark constituency which we
contested: Labour 60601; Liberal 36 953; Con 32 835; Green 18011;
Christian 4432; UKIP 3012; LeftList1956; Animals1828; EngDems1867;
Socialist 1588
We will eventually get a break-down by ward, so that we can judge whether
leafleting is worthwhile, probably we covered less than 10% of the whole
constituency. So far probably less than 10 direct replies. Twenty members
helped out in the campaign in one way or another. Unfortunately the other
candidate’s leaflets and flyers collected for the Archive were thrown
away. A more detailed report with recommendations will follow.
Motion 6 (Miller and White) “The Election Department report be noted and
that they, Comrade Lambert and all the others who participated in the
campaign be thanked for their efforts”. Carried 7-0 1 absent from the
table.

h Autumn Delegate Meeting
Standing Orders Department propose that ADM be 18th and 19th of October
2008, midway between the EC meetings on the 4th of October and the 1st of
November. They also propose that the dates for the return of Branch items
for discussion be Friday 5th of September and the dates for reports for
ADM be the same. If the EC agrees, these dates can be issued with the
report of Conference voting and the Conference discussion to all members.
Motion 7 (Miller and Roberts) “That the Standing Orders Committee
suggestion for ADM dates be adopted”. Carried 8-0

i Head Office Organiser Report.
Comrade Johnson reported that space at Head Office is at a premium,
especially for the storage of Socialists Standards. There had been an
incident of a missing cheque, which could not have been cashed and has now
been cancelled.

j Internet Department
Comrade Miller gave an oral report that we did not receive invoices from
the company Easistream who deal with the DVD. Capitalism and other Kids
Stuff on the Internet. They finally sent one which he passed to the
Treasurer. Now they threaten legal action. Comrade Thomas said that he had
missed the original invoice back in February. Has paid the £17. He had
suggested setting up a Direct Debit or Standing Order but if they insist
on sending invoices by e-mail, these should be sent to Head Office and
then put into the Treasurer’s folder.

7 Correspondence

1 Swansea Branch 15th April 2008: “Swansea Branch at our meeting of the
14th April agreed to nominate Com. John Bissett for the Campaigns Dept.
and the Blogs. Dept”. Carried 6-0 6 members present
Motion 8 (Thomas and Deutz) “That Comrade Bissett be accepted for the
Campaigns
Department“. Agreed unanimously
Motion 9 (Thomas and Johnson) “That Comrade Bissett be accepted for the
Blogs Dept.” An opinion that Comrade Bissett had exercised poor judgement
on what he had blogged, when he was out of the Party was expressed. There
is no editorial control. Motion lost 2-3 3 abstentions.

2 Central London Branch 27th April 2008 Three Motions:
a) “Regarding Motion 29 of the March minutes and Motion 18 of the January
minutes
warning the entire membership against violating certain Conference
resolutions, Central London Branch takes the view that these warnings
should be directed to the offending members in particular and not the
membership as a whole.” Carried 4-2-0
b) “BIRT the EC be asked for clarification on the financial arrangements
with respect to the drama duo which performed at Head Office the evening
of 5th April.” Agreed
c) “BIRT Central London Branch nominate Comrade Bill Martin to the Library
and Election Departments”. Carried 6-0 (6 members present)
On the first motion, it was noted that here again is an example of an EC
member who gets one decision at the EC and then comes back again from
branch. That it is important that the EC exercises its own discretion in
these matters, weighing in the balance against embarrassment caused by
naming names. Comrade Miller said that he was also a member of the
branch..
Motion 10 (Thomas and Roberts) “The resolution be noted”. Agreed
There was a lengthy discussion on the second resolution.
Motion 11 (Deutz and Miller) “That Central London be informed that the duo
were paid the union rate by an individual member. The Party did not pay
the duo.”
Carried 7-0 1 absent from the table.
(Generally felt that the vote for the above motion is not an endorsement
of the action).
Motion 12 (Thomas and White) “That no private arrangements be made by
Party members to subsidise Party activities without prior agreement of the
EC”
The example of the trouble caused by Comrade Weidberg inserting and paying
for adverts privately, was given. It was said that the motion was too
general, and did not allow for Branch actions, and would bar any member
from printing their own leaflets. This would not stop branches, but is
about individuals and actions which the Party had no knowledge of. The
members who make Standing Orders or do not claim travel expenses, are
these private arrangements? Others felt that any contribution which goes
into the Party coffers, the use of which is a group decision is not
private. Comrade Thomas in winding up said that the wording of the motion
was bad and he wouldn’t be voting for it but to let it fall doesn’t mean
support for the action.
The motion fell 0-3 with 5 abstentions
Some thought that most people were stunned by what they had heard. Perhaps
arrangements for meetings should be put in writing and its suggested that
if anyone is sufficiently concerned, the matter could be brought back for
further consideration.
On Motion 3 from Central London,
Motion 13 (Miller and Thomas) “That Comrade Bill Martin be appointed to
the Election Department”. Carried unanimously
Several issues were raised with reference to the Library nomination. That
it was fully and adequately manned, That Comrade Allen is expected to be
the Book Collection Officer, that Comrade Martin is a trained Librarian,
the last time he was on the committee his attendance at Head Office had
not fitted with the other members and the committee had been dissolved by
the EC.
Motion 12 (Miller and Johnson) “That Comrade Martin be appointed to the
Library Committee”. Lost 3-3 2 abstentions.

3 Minutes of the WSP of the US. 25/2/08.Comrade Miller moved that they be
noted. Agreed

4 Letter from Brecker Grossmith 7/4/08
The General Secretary reported that this is the second time these
Chartered Surveyors have approached the Party with their offers for 52
Clapham High Street.
Motion 14 (McEwan and Thomas) “That the letter from Brecker Grossmith be
circulated to Branch Secretaries”. Carried 6-0 2 abstentions.
The EC is not endorsing this particular offer, Estate agents are sending
these sort of letters out all the time but as some members might look with
favour upon such offers the EC does not want to seem to be with-holding
information.
Motion 15 (White and Deutz) “That the General Secretary again reply to
the Estate Agent that Head Office is not currently for sale”. Carried
unanimously

5. Letter from Lambeth Planning Department 10/4/08. Noted Agreed

8 Any Other Business
a) The Funeral of Comrade Ron Cook has been announced on the forums as
next Friday. Comrade Buick has said that he will be attending but is not
sure of his times yet. Anyone wanting a lift could contact him. Though
the Gen. Sec. said that due to family pressures, the minutes would not be
produced very quickly this month.

b) New Rule Book
Motion 16 (Miller and Roberts) “The Publication Department be notified to
print the New rule book”. Agreed

c) Notice of Business
Comrade Johnson would like there to be called a special Party meeting
regarding Climate Change.. Will be circulating a discussion document.
Comrade Miller said that this was out of order, it should be through a
branch, others said ADM or the Production for Use Committee. There was a
discussion at Conference, and this needs a committee re Climate Change and
its Implications. The Party should be dealing with it. Rule 25 was cited
as being relevant to this matter.

d) Comrade White raised the matter of the Loop system.
Motion 17 (White and Carter) “The Premises Committee be asked for an
up-to-date report on if and when the Head Office Loop system will be
fitted.” Carried unanimously

9 Chair of the next meeting: Comrade McEwan
10 Date 7/6/08
11 Adjourned 4.35 pm.
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A second call is made for nominations for the Publications Department and
the Advisory Committee to the Treasurer.

A call is made for nominations for the Internet Department.

A reminder that the dates of the ADM. are to be October 18th and 19th 2008
The dates for the return of branch items for discussion is Friday 5th of
September and the date for reports for ADM .is the same 5/9/08. For SOC,
M.Browne and P.Deutz.
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